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Nnamdipapa:


Reading the Bible with an open mind and observing different inconsistencies and things that don't make sense.

Observing my surroundings, the pastors, so called Christians.

Observing Nigeria as a country, all the pastors, Imams, churches and prayers nothing happening.

Covid 19 and no pastor trying to heal a covid victim.
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My friend, After 20 years in Deeper Life, I can tell you the biggest scam on earth is religion, especially the Abrahamic variety.

It thrives on fear.

Fair enough, and i agree it thrives on fear and discourages critical thinking as well which is why it relies on faith, the least and worst way to demonstrate truth.

Nnamdipapa:


Do you have any idea when that time is? Next one year? Maybe three? Four?

You talk about time to come but have no idea when that time will come for Karma's visitations.

There is no shame in itting that you have been wrong about Karma's. Like yourself, I used to believe in all those stuff until my eyes opened.

If you don't mind me asking what "opened your eyes" ?

Botragelad:

The first picture is likely Ai generated.

Hehe

So Airtel 40gb 5k is gone?! I can still see the option though.

G12:
Atheists are annoyingly shallow. Like you only believe what you see? Most of them only read about the garbage they spill out. They are too lazy to carry out personal research. They lack personal experience of the things they claim they know.

There are depths that these guys haven't explored.

You can't tell someone who has been dealth with by the devil and later had an encounter with God that there is no God. You don't have that experience. It's beyond your imagination.

Just the same way you can't convince that witch otherwise because she's seeing the result of her actions.

Here are real life stories:

A teenager who ventured into yahoo and wanted to upgrade suddenly ran mad. He confessed that he was asked to sacrifice his mother, but he refused. That was the cause of this madness, but his mother didn't give up on him. She took him to different churches for prayers until he regained his sanity. Talk of a mother's love.

I know of another young guy with the same story. His aged mother was taking care of him too, but she didn't live long. She died and the boy is roaming the streets - mad.

I know of another yahoo guy who is now barking like a dog and his mum is also taking care of him too. His mother didn't want to have anything to do with his yahoo proceeds from the onset. His witch doctor gave him a chain to wear on his neck while talking to his victims with a condition never to sleep with it. One day, he slept off while wearing the chain only to wake up and he started barking like a dog.

There are different stories of different people who dined with the devil, but didn't live to tell the story and those who were fortunate enough to make it out alive.

You guys should embark on a spiritual journey if you really want to "know" the truth about the world you live in. You'll come back with plenty experiences that will humble you. Not this arguments you people always engage in here.

Man know thyself!

Fuckin ironical🤣

Yhwh seems so obsessed with genitals, even that of kids. A similar conundrum happened with Moses or is it Moses' kid with genital foreskin. For such a hung deity it's quite understandable, seeing the Kuntillet Ajrud relic found in Sinai framed alongside his consort Asherah. But jokes aside it's just crappy old jewish tradition called Levirate marriage weaved in with the story of a god to ensure compliance by fear, currently only practiced by some Sephardic jewish groups.

Similar crappy traditions everywhere which are now dumped, funny how god's absolute morals changes with human times. The whole Gen 38 is bleeped up and shows women as nothing but property. Imagine Judah wanting to burn Tamar, basically for being a harlot even though he went to sleep with a harlot unknown to him was same Tamar. Down right hypocritical, treating women like objects.

Could we take a before and after IQ test to show the efficacy of prayer and fasting.

P.S : Reading through, now i feel bad for making fun of your struggles but still this is not it.

DeltaFire:



For those who don't want to do their RESEARCH before writing trash, today's Arabs are mixture of Turks and Aryans (Iran = Aryan - see similarity in sounds). Ishmaelites from the son of Abraham were BLACK.

I hope you won't write more trash and say Americans are white because today they are white but the original American is the Native American who is Brown. Also, today Australians are white but the native original Australian is Black.

Go read and stop your illiterate comments on my intelligent and researched posts. If you research you will find MANY photos that original Arabs are Black like this one below:

And Youtube & Facebook are "Research" 🤣 typical conspiracy nutjob

kingxsamz:


😂
It's definitely an Ai bot doing the writing for him.

AI regurgitators, the lot of em, and they seem to see nothing wrong with it, which is baffling to say the least.

Sonofgod1990:

Something of this nature

Exactly

Sonofgod1990:

Which one is anti detect browser please

Message me

Sonofgod1990:
My phone ip don cast. I no fit use Facebook on my phone again. What make I do my good people. Best answer will be giving 3k asap

Use an anti-detect browser alongside a good vpn.

Dtruthspeaker:


Nope.

I am saying any reasonable and right thinking person can see that whatever is called science has it's due place and whatever is called religion has it's purposes.

But like atheists Lucifyre has come to show most people are not right thinking and being reasonable is a task too difficult for them.

😅 Didn't know i'm an atheist.

Dtruthspeaker:


That would be you confirming that you the pot. 😁

As our resident retard its no suprise a simple idiom still can't turn the rusted gears in your head.

Dtruthspeaker:


First science means "To know" while

faith is the use of knowledge.

But shallow people just brainlessly recite the shallow popular definitions.

Secondly, Proof and evidence and demand for proofs and are all matters under Law and not under science but many so called atheists are foolishly ignorant of this.

Thirdly, belief has nothing to do with Truth and Real eyeity for in Rufai Oseni's mind, he can believe today that Peter Obi is the president of Nigeria. And tomorrow it may be Trump. But that is his belief and belief is personal subject to a person's whim and control. So it is not a standard of measurement of Truth.

The irony of you calling someone brainless😄. I literally lol'd, pot meet kettle.

Legal action on behalf of an omnipotent being. 🤣 Some jokes write themselves.

Aemmyjah:


On the highlighted
Is it reasonable to reason with someone with such thinking?

If truth is subjective?
Who are you to argue or convince someone on the issue of faith

Where did i say truth is subjective or you need glasses?!

Nachmonides:


On faith again.
The original Greek text of Hebrews 11:1 is:

"Ἔστιν δὲ πίστις ἐλπιζομένων ὑπόστασις, πραγμάτων ἔλεγχος οὐ βλεπομένων."

Word-by-Word Breakdown:

1. πίστις (pistis) → Faith, trust, belief, conviction


2. ἐλπιζομένων (elpizomenōn) → Things hoped for, expected


3. ὑπόστασις (hypostasis) → Substance, foundation, assurance, confidence


4. πραγμάτων (pragmatōn) → Matters, things, realities


5. ἔλεγχος (elegchos) → Evidence, proof, conviction


6. οὐ βλεπομένων (ou blepomenōn) → Not seen, unseen



Literal Translation:

"Now faith is the substance (or assurance) of things hoped for, the evidence (or conviction) of things not seen."


If you're to be honest or take yourself to be a man of reason, you can't read that and say it is arbitrary belief without reason.


This definition of faith does not mean blind belief without reason but rather a deep trust in something not yet visible. It suggests that faith is an active confidence, not mere wishful thinking.

We must ask, why should one have confidence in something? — that means there's a past action, a premise that demands it. Then we should ask after, what is the past action and how can we prove it is true, using the methods available to us, scientifically.

I'll leave this here:
A scientist has faith in a black hole’s existence based on gravitational effects, even if they can’t see it directly.

A Christian has faith in God based on historical s, changed lives, and logical reasoning, even without physically seeing Him.

What does hoped for and evidence of things not seen mean if not exactly what it says. lol Science doesn't have faith in a black holes existence. Its demonstratable even if not seen. It relies on empirical observations and experimentation based on the constants of the universe which leads to testable, verifiable and falsifiable predictive models. Key word falsifiable. Absolutely not the same thing. Religion on the other hand relies on non empirical, unfalsifiable subjective sources with a lot of presuppositions and presumptions. Big difference.

Nachmonides:



Do you disagree?

Man you guys and gpt's. Don't know why you all rely on gpts to form your arguments, every single time. If i wanted to discuss with AI i would just do that on my device. Anyways even your response already shows the several problems with faith and proves what i said. And yes i have read, not even read studied the bible and not just that but the context around it using study bibles like the JPS Tanakh and New Oxford Annotated Bible With Apocrypha and materials from reputable scholars which unfortunately highlights the flaws.

Also i fail to see how my reading it or not reconciles the contradictions. Even right off the bat in the very first book you have contradictions. Contradictions that require you to renegotiate the texts in a bid to harmonize it which can be sometimes laughable. A pathway to truth that's not univocal?! Nah!

And no people don't accept the big bang and string theory on faith. They accept it cause it's demonstrable with evidence even if they don't fully grasp it. We have evidence of the cosmic microwave background radiation to demonstrate this. Also i never said faith is exclusive to religion i said it's mostly used in religious context there's a big difference. ALso there's no where else apart from religious context where faith is used to demonstrate truth. That's what i said.

The area where faith is used most is filled with so much confusion. We have at least 10,000 religions all claiming to be the right one. Of which a lot of people subscribe to these religions with faith and even in those religions you have denominations like the 45,000 plus of Christianity with claims where no 2 xtains agree on the interpretation of the texts from cover to cover.

Faith is subjective, Truth is objective, Faith is unverifiable, Truth is verifiable.... so it's flawed, rest is just semantics. Logic leads to verifiable objective truth. If faith is a pathway to truth how come so many subjective views?? Miraculous claims are dismissed from historical sources all the time to get the factual data. A lot of historical figures have mythological elements about them that are filtered out, even your cited sources which im sure if you read would have understood the diff between a mythological figure and a historical figure with mythological elements.

People believe stories about Alexander because he has numerous evidence outside the original claims. From other ancient docs from even people he fought to coins, inscriptions and other archaeological artifacts which same cannot be said for Jesus or 90% of biblical claims which one is meant to take on faith. Instead we find what makes the narrative questionable.

For example the census conducted during Jesus' birth when Herod killed new borns is not true, cause archaeological and historical evidence shows the census was conducted 10yrs after the death of Herod during the reign of Quiniruis. So the fact its based of evidence is mostly not even true lol! What evidence do you have for any of the extraordinarily faith claims in the bible. Talking animals, Exodus, Red Sea, Pillar of fire, Sun stanfing still, Flat earth?! Absolutely zero, instead what we find contradicts em instead.

Also the claim that Jesus' believers were willing to die ergo is true is apologetics 101. Is islam true because people are willingly die for the cause?? The gospels were not written by any eyewitnesses, they were written several decades after the events, and for such extraordinary events, no other sources records any of it save for the little mundane bits, zero detailed extrordinary bits

If faith is a valid method, there won't be 10,000 religions claiming they have the "right faith" and there won't be denominations claiming to have the right faith and killing each other for heresies. [b]How come no consensus or objectivity? [/b]That's why faith debates fact and embraces opinions instead of the other way. And please lay off the AI regurgitated responses, it's doesn't come across well, to put it politely.

Nachmonides:


On faith again.
The original Greek text of Hebrews 11:1 is:

"Ἔστιν δὲ πίστις ἐλπιζομένων ὑπόστασις, πραγμάτων ἔλεγχος οὐ βλεπομένων."

Word-by-Word Breakdown:

1. πίστις (pistis) → Faith, trust, belief, conviction


2. ἐλπιζομένων (elpizomenōn) → Things hoped for, expected


3. ὑπόστασις (hypostasis) → Substance, foundation, assurance, confidence


4. πραγμάτων (pragmatōn) → Matters, things, realities


5. ἔλεγχος (elegchos) → Evidence, proof, conviction


6. οὐ βλεπομένων (ou blepomenōn) → Not seen, unseen



Literal Translation:

"Now faith is the substance (or assurance) of things hoped for, the evidence (or conviction) of things not seen."


If you're to be honest or take yourself to be a man of reason, you can't read that and say it is arbitrary belief without reason.


This definition of faith does not mean blind belief without reason but rather a deep trust in something not yet visible. It suggests that faith is an active confidence, not mere wishful thinking.

We must ask, why should one have confidence in something? — that means there's a past action, a premise that demands it. Then we should ask after, what is the past action and how can we prove it is true, using the methods available to us, scientifically.

I'll leave this here:
A scientist has faith in a black hole’s existence based on gravitational effects, even if they can’t see it directly.

A Christian has faith in God based on historical s, changed lives, and logical reasoning, even without physically seeing Him.

...

Bahamas95:
These oyibo people with stories sef.

I wonder why we don't experience these things in Africa.

We experience them but instead attribute it to demons, supernatural and superstitious nonsense.

Nachmonides:


Alright.

Faith, in the biblical sense, is not believing without evidence but rather trusting based on sufficient evidence as I've said. The Scriptures constantly appeal to reason:
1:18—"Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord."

1 Peter 3:15—"Always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you."

As I've said.

Christianity presents logical reasons to believe:

Cosmological Argument – The universe had a beginning; therefore, it must have a cause. Who or what is the cause of this?—Scriptures tell us it is a being, God.

Teleological Argument – The fine-tuning of the universe points to an intelligent Designer. — Scriptures tell us this intelligent designer is God.

Moral Argument – Objective moral values require a transcendent moral lawgiver. Scriptures tell us this moral lawgiver is God.

Are you well versed in these I've mentioned?

Responded to your prev comments which also addresses these. And yes im familiar with the arguments which have been debunked over and over.

Nachmonides:

Before we go into the details, I'll say this and see what you have to say about it.

Alright.
Faith is ll....

Faith is logical because it is based on reasoning, evidence, and trust—just like how we operate in other areas of life. It’s not "blind," but a confident trust in the most reasonable explanation of life, morality, and existence.

Man you just info dumped on me, that's a lot 😅. It's all good though, I'd just try nitpick through. First before making assertions about what faith can be, you need to define what exactly it is and going by the biblical definition alone already contradicts almost all your assertions. Heb 11:1 which you quoted basically contradicts that "Now faith is the confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see". That alone doesn't even your assertions in the first place.

Now if we take the literal definition(Britannica), it defines faith as "something that is believed without being questioned or doubted ". Another definition from same source states "to accept (something) as true without proof or evidence that it is true". The definitions alone floor your assertions, even the bible. So where do you get your assertions from. You're practically imposing what you want it to be to fit your assertions, like how you guys renegotiate your texts.

The very definitions of faith shows its not compatible with logic. Now i'm not saying faith is illogical but it is a flawed process, it's basically the least form of acceptance and there's a reason it's the least and that's cause it simply can't be used to establish truth whatsoever. It is non-logical. Also there's a reason faith is mostly only used in religious contexts to establish something is true and nowhere else. Logic on the other hand is applied virtually everywhere even computers, because its consistent and non-contradictory which faith is obviously not.

As for the evidence you talk about, anecdotal subjective evidence is not evidence. I'm not sure if you've read up any of the evidence or even the one you cited cause if you study it, it basically contradicts majority of what's in the bible and that's asides from the bible contradicting itself which is impossible with logic. i find it funny when Josephus and Tacitus are quoted by christains cause it doesn't even tell us anything about Jesus' life save for the fact that he likely existed and was killed for been a nuisance to the romans, nothing about his resurrection or miracles or details of his life.

And the refs are very short on the side mentions when discussing something else, so he wasn't even the focus in those sources, a short line or two in the docs discussing something else. Most other evidences(be it historical, archeological or textual) majorly contradicts what's in the bible just as it contradicts itself like i earlier stated. So it's virtually incompatible for faith and logic to coexist. Faith doesn't lead to a creator, it suggests creators of which your particular arbitrarily selected faith settles you on a creator/creators dependendent on if your faith is polytheistic or monotheistic.

Way too kafakaesque to be logical, so it can't be used as a pathway to truth. Truth is objective, demonstrable, falsifiable and replicable which doesn't work with faith at all, no matter the particular faith belief you settle on out of the numerous ones existing and those that have existed. Also you do realise your bible is the claim and not the evidence, so citing the claim as evidence is funny, circular and fallacious.

Nachmonides:
Interesting conversation here.

After a careful study of the Scriptures, one comes to the conclusion that faith in Christ is absolutely logical.

However, not many can articulate how faith is logical.
As an apologist, this is a crucial defense when engaging intellectuals who highly value reason and evidence.

After all, if God is, and is truly God, he gave us the ability to reason and be logical, therefore, he himself is a Mathematician of a very high order, as Paul Dirac would say.

Faith is not blindly following, it has a very heavy logical base as to why you should follow.
The scriptures say that God is not the author of confusion, and I agree.

How is faith logical or not blind following as you put it?

Truthseeker10:

Taking the bolded as fact has nothing on me. You can't even prove to me that a daily activity of a human or animal can be regarded as good and bad. So why should I take you seriously?

Lol! So as expected, no you can't. Anyways thanks for trying to demonstrate your fictional god and subjective contradictory bible and failing woefully at it. Hopefully your fictional incest loving deity helps you out next time.😁

Truthseeker10:

You've refused to tell me experiments that define what good and bad is in man and animals?

What Is your morality objective with yhwh?

Like i said you suck at this. Id take the bolded as fact😄

So I ask again:, can you demonstrate the existence of your particular god and satan, out of the thousands of gods and their adversaries (over 18,000)? Can you prove that your particular iteration, interpretation and translation of the texts given to you by your colonial masters, which you base your undemonstrable beliefs on, are factual and serve as the basis for this so called objective morality or frame work of good and bad😏?

Or are you only capable of repeatedly asking questions like a simpleton.

Truthseeker10:

The problem you have is that you are not being objective. I never told you that I believed in morality. You talked about where morality came from and I simply used your logic. You argued that good and bad are simply ideas of instinct even in animals. So what exactly is your morality objective when it comes to yhwh? Even if yhwh has committed genocide, on what basis can you call it bad?

What exactly in those experiments proves that good and bad exist? What is good and what is bad?

So I ask again:, can you demonstrate the existence of your particular god and satan, out of the thousands of gods and their adversaries (over 18,000)? Can you prove that your particular iteration, interpretation and translation of the texts given to you by your colonial masters, which you base your undemonstrable beliefs on, are factual and serve as the basis for this so called objective morality or frame work of good and bad😏?

Or are you only capable of repeatedly asking questions like a simpleton.

gohf:
real psychosis is thinking you can be wicked threat people badly and get away with it

Nah! Real pshycosis is taking subjective, undemonstrable and contradictory myth and fiction and treating it as objective reality. That's real psychosis right there and it's quite sad.

Truthseeker10:

Can you also demonstrate the particular iteration of beliefs in good and bad exists and the particular texts which you base this belief on are factual?

It's amusing how bad you are at defending your imaginary god, Michael. This is a new year, a new , and yet the same old stale persistent questions and m.o persists. Nevertheless, I'll indulge you to demonstrate the shallowness of your thought process and educate you.

Firstly, faith & belief is what delusional people rely on. It's the least form of acceptance applicable to the least common denominator of people. For us, we focus on facts, facts which are observable, demonstrable, and replicable. Facts dont care of you believe ot not. Take note.

Moving on, you've itted that morality is indeed subjective and contextual, as evident in the actions of Yhwh, the genocidal, infantile, sexual assulting and confused manaic. There are several studies that this conclusion from observing humans and even animals to show its instinctual and contextual:

A. Nietzsche's Moral Relativism ("Beyond Good and Evil," 1886)
B. Existentialist Morality (Sartre, 1943)
C. Social Contract Theory (Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, 17th-18th Century)

These theories, along with several other works and journals online, outline the details. However, I'm aware that delusional individuals rarely engage in reading.

Some of the demonstrations carried out to make these observations and test the analysis include:

1. The Norm Formation Experiment (Muzafer Sherif, 1935)
2. The Capuchin Monkey Fairness Experiment (Fragaszy & Visalberghi, 1996)
3. The Trolley Problem (Foot, 1967; Greene, 2001)
4. The Infant Morality Experiment (Hamlin et al.)

All of these experiments are replicable and demonstrable, having undergone rigorous observation, analysis, and peer review. See how complex the verification process is?! And its this complex process that has established them as factual, rather than mere beliefs or "Trust me bro". 😁

So I ask again:, can you demonstrate the existence of your particular god and satan, out of the thousands of gods and their adversaries (over 18,000)? Can you prove that your particular iteration, interpretation and translation of the texts given to you by your colonial masters, which you base your undemonstrable beliefs on, are factual and serve as the basis for this so called objective morality or frame work of good and bad😏?

Or are you only capable of repeatedly asking questions like a simpleton.

gohf:
Like I wrote If you kill people children, God will kill your children one by one, he may even keep you alive and watch your grandchildren die one by one. It's will be so painful because you won't realize and will forget He is the one who gave life. You don't own life, not even your own.

If you think God is evil because He judges your wickedness and punishes you for it. Yes He give evil to the evil. He has no mercy or goodness towards them. You refuse to repent or change, you will suffer for the evil you enjoy.

When i say these christards are schizophrenic it sounds like a joke. Is this not full blown psychosis on display.😅

Truthseeker10:

So tell us how to prove that there is good and bad.


But don't you also think that the idea of good and bad is also superstitious? Don't you think it is just an idea created by humans to regulate other humans just like the God and satan superstitious concepts? If good and bad exists, then what are they?

For the second part common sense would have told you, you cannot disprove what hasn't even been proven to exist in the first place ergo my outlandish analogy to show you how dumb that is. You do not shift the burden of proof for outlandish claims without first demonstrating em. Common sense 101. Also pls outline where i said there is no good and bad?! So can you demonstrate your particular iteration of belief in god and satan exists and the particular texts which you base this belief on are factual??

Truthseeker10:
following your logic, I can say it is morally right. Since animals can kill themselves for food, and we have the same instinct as them, it can be morally right. Are you insinuating that it is morally wrong to kill because yhwh contradicts himself according to you?


If you cannot prove that there is no good and bad, neither can I disprove the ones that you've listed above since they are also result of instinct. I am simply following your logic. Do you agree?

Lol! Good. So morality is indeed subjective?! Thank you very much.

For the second part common sense would have told you, you cannot disprove what hasn't even been proven to exist in the first place ergo my outlandish analogy to show you how dumb that is. You do not shift the burden of proof for outlandish claims without first demonstrating em. Common sense 101. Also pls outline where i said there is no good and bad?! So can you demonstrate your particular iteration of belief in god and satan exists and the particular texts which you base this belief on are factual??

"Do you agree that God and satan are also results of instinct including the 25 headed snake of a lion that flies faster than a peregrine falcon"
It seems you dont read or simply don't understand what you read anyways let me copy paste again.

"Yes the the ideas of god and satan are still based on same instinct. The instinct of knowledge, to understand and make meaning of the world around us. We tried to explain the world and how it works ergo initially came up with these concepts alongside other superstitions which could not even be demonstrated and you had to take it on "trust me bro".