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Dtruthspeaker:

Yes, they reject any thing which destroys their upsets their standing in atheism whether reasonable or scientific.

Making contributions to human knowledge has nothing to do with being a Christian or an atheist exactly how being a Nigerian or a Russian has nothing to do with making a contribution to humanity.

Thus, does your understanding of what faith is and science co exist? Yes they already do, for it is by faith and believe that you used to enter a plane (science) to fly from Lagos to Toronto the first time for you have never flown before and if you look out the window of the plane, you would not see the "road" to Toronto. But you just believed that the driver, whom by the way you do not even know, will go through that blue or grey sky of nothingness to take you to a place you have never been to before.

That is clearly an example of faith and science working together.

Excellent!

Dtruthspeaker:


Yes, they reject any thing which destroys their upsets their standing in atheism whether reasonable or scientific.

Making contributions to human knowledge has nothing to do with being a Christian or an atheist exactly how being a Nigerian or a Russian has nothing to do with making a contribution to humanity.

Thus, does your understanding of what faith is and science co exist? Yes they already do, for it is by faith and believe that you used to enter a plane (science) to fly from Lagos to Toronto the first time for you have never flown before and if you look out the window of the plane, you would not see the "road" to Toronto. But you just believed that the driver, whom by the way you do not even know, will go through that blue or grey sky of nothingness to take you to a place you have never been to before.

That is clearly an example of faith and science working together.

I see your point about faith in science, but isn’t there a difference between faith in a proven system (like aviation) and religious faith? When people board a plane, they trust science based on years of engineering and data. Religious faith, on the other hand, often requires belief without tangible proof. Do you think these are really the same kind of faith?
If faith and science always work together, why have religious institutions sometimes opposed scientific discoveries? For example, heliocentrism and evolution were once rejected by many religious groups. Do you think faith should adapt when science presents new evidence?

MaxInDHouse:

The highlighted is exactly what FAITH is!

Winners don't quit and quiters don't win FAITH is not blind you have to study your environment and people around you before you start working towards something.
You said the Wright Brothers studied physics, tested designs and refined their work all these amounts to never quitting.
Now read what the Bible says about faith in God and let's see if it's the same:

My son, if you accept my sayings And treasure up my commandments, By making your ear attentive to wisdom And inclining your heart to discernment; Moreover, if you call out for understanding And raise your voice for discernment; If you keep seeking for it as for silver, And you keep searching for it as for hidden treasures; Then you will understand the fear of Jehovah, And you will find the knowledge of God. Proverbs 2:1-5

The aim of the believer is to find the knowledge of God or let's say figure out if God truly exists.
The first step is reading God's laws, then studying how it applies to humans around you, then ask questions to know what the laws is achieving within faithful adherents, you mustn't give up (keep seeking for it as sliver and searching for it as for hidden treasures) then you will see with your mind's eyes that truly God exists.

The problem with most people is lack of faith in what they're pursuing so they give up half way then start looking for who to blame.

The Wright Brothers never did that but keep on working towards their dreams as they put everything they could lay their hands on to good use.

That is real FAITH!

I like your point that real faith involves effort and study, not just ive belief. Maybe science and faith both require a kind of trust—science in what can be tested and faith in things beyond human understanding.
You said faith requires studying and questioning, but many religious traditions discourage questioning too much. Some religious authorities have historically opposed scientific discoveries—like heliocentrism or evolution. Should faith always encourage questioning, or are there limits?

[quote author=Kobojunkie post=134107105]1. Not assuming. Religion is typically established through the words—opinions of individuals — of men, words that are for the most part personal as you previously pointed out.

2. And many of those same religious scholars have come up with, for the most part, deeply contradictory ideas to describe many of the same entities.

3. But religion is itself founded on those very misunderstandings and misinterpretations — the flaws you refer to. [/quot

That's a thought-provoking perspective. It's true that religious texts and interpretations are often subjective and influenced by human biases. The contradictions and variations in religious thought can be attributed to these human limitations.

However, some might argue that the value of religion lies not in its literal or historical accuracy, but in its symbolic, spiritual, and cultural significance. Many people find meaning, comfort, and guidance in religious teachings, despite (or even because of) their imperfections.

What are your thoughts on the role of faith and spirituality in the face of these complexities?

Dtruthspeaker:


Yes, they reject any thing which destroys their upsets their standing in atheism whether reasonable or scientific.

Making contributions to human knowledge has nothing to do with being a Christian or an atheist exactly how being a Nigerian or a Russian has nothing to do with making a contribution to humanity.

Thus, does your understanding of what faith is and science co exist? Yes they already do, for it is by faith and believe that you used to enter a plane (science) to fly from Lagos to Toronto the first time for you have never flown before and if you look out the window of the plane, you would not see the "road" to Toronto. But you just believed that the driver, whom by the way you do not even know, will go through that blue or grey sky of nothingness to take you to a place you have never been to before.

That is clearly an example of faith and science working together.

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SadEast419:
I like your point that real faith involves effort and study, not just ive belief. Maybe science and faith both require a kind of trust—science in what can be tested and faith in things beyond human understanding.
You said faith requires studying and questioning, but many religious traditions discourage questioning too much. Some religious authorities have historically opposed scientific discoveries—like heliocentrism or evolution. Should faith always encourage questioning, or are there limits?

It's religion that discourage questioning not FAITH!

Take for insurance the man called Abraham the Bible says this man is the father of all those having FAITH {Romans 4:11} but did Abraham followed a blind faith?
Well he is the first human to QUESTION God:

Then Abraham approached and said: “Will you really sweep away the righteous with the wicked?
 Suppose there are 50 righteous men within the city. Will you, then, sweep them away and not pardon the place for the sake of the 50 righteous who are inside it?
It is unthinkable that you would act in this manner by putting the righteous man to death with the wicked one so that the outcome for the righteous man and the wicked is the same! It is unthinkable of you. Will the Judge of all the earth not do what is right?” Genesis 18:23-25

What about TRIAL and ERROR that you mentioned?
Abraham was promised that his children will inherit the land of Canaan yet his wife was barren so Abraham took some TRIAL and ERROR steps perhaps God will fulfill His promises in another way. He began sleeping with his wife's maid along with the wife, the young maid got pregnant and had a son for Abraham so he concluded God has finally answered him he said:

“O that Ishʹma·el (the maid's son) might live before you!” Genesis 17:18

but God told this man NO!:

“Your wife Sarah will definitely bear you a son, and you must name him Isaac. And I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant to his offspring after him. But as regards Ishʹma·el, I have heard you. Look! I will bless him and will make him fruitful and will multiply him very, very much. He will produce 12 chieftains, and I will make him become a great nation. However, I will establish my covenant with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you at this appointed time next year.” Genesis 17:19-21

So what will happen to Ishmael?
God promised to bless the child too but his case was that of TRIAL and ERROR by Abraham not what God had in mind for this great man of FAITH.

Kobojunkie:
I don't believe science and religion can rationally coexist mainly because religion is built on a foundation of contradictions. How can an arm of human knowledge that builds on facts be said to be complementary to ideas that build on falsehoods/contradictions? How or where does this complementary connection begin or end?

Kobojunkie, what is the meaning of the word 'religion'?

jaephoenix:

How can something based off belief and make-believe inspire something tangible and solid like science? How? These theists are clowns

Do you agree that good and evil exists?

SadEast419:

Here's a possible response:

That's a thought-provoking perspective. It's true that religious texts and interpretations are often subjective and influenced by human biases. The contradictions and variations in religious thought can be attributed to these human limitations.

However, some might argue that the value of religion lies not in its literal or historical accuracy, but in its symbolic, spiritual, and cultural significance. Many people find meaning, comfort, and guidance in religious teachings, despite (or even because of) their imperfections.

What are your thoughts on the role of faith and spirituality in the face of these complexities?

Are you using ChatGPT?

Jaephoenix, hopefulLandlord and kingxsamz, I'm seeing the ugly ghost of a disgraced apologist here!

SadEast419:
Science and faith have often been seen as opposing forces, but many argue they can coexist. Science relies on empirical evidence and testable theories, while faith is based on belief and spirituality.

Some people see them as complementary—science explains the how of the universe, while faith addresses the why. For example, someone can believe in evolution while also believing that a higher power set everything in motion. Others argue that faith can inspire scientific inquiry, as many historical scientists were deeply religious.

On the flip side, some say science and faith are fundamentally incompatible because science demands proof, while faith requires belief without evidence. What do you think? Can they work together, or are they at odds? Can science and faith coexist?

Faith is evidence for things we don't yet see, Hebrews 11:1 an evidence that most scientists would not want to accept.

Faith leads to something man cannot do, that's salvation from death so how are they to test if it's true or not when dealing with death is beyond them.


Faith understands that God created all things, some scientists deny proof of God who created all based on their level of understanding what has been created. Faith looks above, science looks below, they both can't see the same except those few in science field who realize that below cannot exist without an above. Science deals with man while faith deals with God, science pleases men, faith pleases God. Science works for us, Faith is us working for God.

While both are existing, only one outlasts the other, and that's faith.

While Enosh's generation called upon the name of Jehovah, Cain and his sons built and designed, developed a science for themselves, blacksmiths, forgers and the like.

Noah built an ark based on faith

No invention of men survived the flood.

Science comes from our human senses, faith comes by hearing God's word.

Science builds our human civilization but faith leads us to God's nation.

The goal of science is knowledge and exploration but the goal of faith is love. Such knowledge from science puffs up but within love is humility and God gives grace to the humble.

If one has faith and makes use of science, they guide our exploration and invention in the right direction but when one lacks faith science becomes the chain that ties one down to the physical.

It's better to sought out the difference between RELIGION and FAITH!

Religion:
Belief in a spiritual or metaphysical reality (often including at least one deity), accompanied by practices or rituals pertaining to the belief.

Faith:
The assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen.

Religion has to do with BELIEFS and most belief system is based on credulity but faith is based on hope of something we are expecting perhaps we have heard or been told therefore as we are WORKING towards its success and making a headway we persist in doing what we know to achieve it.
So persistence in working towards what is not yet visible is FAITH!

Aemmyjah:

1 bottle of palm wine for you

What confuses most people is religion as they misconstrue it for faith.

Ask religionists on Nairaland to tell you the correlation between the practices of their religion and belief system and see why atheists have reasons to speak against what religionists are calling faith.

Judas1X:


Are you using ChatGPT?

Jaephoenix, hopefulLandlord and kingxsamz, I'm seeing the ugly ghost of a disgraced apologist here!

No, I'm just trying to compare people POV. I don not agree neither do I disagree.

Judas1X:


Are you using ChatGPT?

Jaephoenix, hopefulLandlord and kingxsamz, I'm seeing the ugly ghost of a disgraced apologist here!

😂
It's definitely an Ai bot doing the writing for him.

SadEast419:
No, I'm just trying to compare people POV. I don not agree neither do I disagree.

Lol, you're using Ai to make up responses to people's posts. It's so obvious.
Weird, but anyways, ride on.

Aemmyjah:


1 bottle of palm wine for you

SadEast419:
I see your point about faith in science, but isn’t there a difference between faith in a proven system (like aviation) and religious faith?When people board a plane, they trust science based on years of engineering and data.

No, there isn't any difference. That is why you see before today that it is now known that planes are safe and will not carry you into Bermuda triangle, every first time flier was very jittery and afraid and prayerful. And they all used the power of faith to take that first flight.

So it is because today it is satisfactory proven that planes are safe is why you said "when people board a plane, they trust it".

SadEast419:

Religious faith, on the other hand, often requires belief without tangible proof. Do you think these are really the same kind of faith?
If faith and science always work together, why have religious institutions sometimes opposed scientific discoveries? For example, heliocentrism and evolution were once rejected by many religious groups. Do you think faith should adapt when science presents new evidence?

You are twisting yourself about faith and science because, science things are better today so you are not able to see that faith was used to give science a place to stand. Eg why do you think it is always chanted that "flying is the safest means of travel" even though it is a Lie?

That is because if people do not exercise faith in the science inventions (planes) then the science of aviation will die naturally like all the other inventions of science which people call useless invention.

So, get your mind adjusted, I have told you that faith and science is like Garri and Semo but you are looking for them to always work together whereas even husbands and wives do not always work together, so you are asking for an unreasonable thing.

Each is in their place and they have their uses.

And I don't care which religious scientists approves heliocentricism and evolution but first I always remind everyone that heliocentricism is based on what they saw at that time. No different from when they said atom was the smallest indivisible substance.

So the mere fact that today people can see more does not vitiate what was seen in the past.

And secondly, every reasonable person can see that evolution is a Lie as it is a Lie created by atheists with the evil use of Logic eg by claiming because Obasanjo looks like a monkey he therefore comes from a monkey, meanwhile that same logic should also say that monkeys came from man since it looks like man. But because nature already and consistently proves this leg a Lie, is why they do not say this. Meanwhile, nature also proves the other leg a Lie as no monkey has ever given birth to a man either.

So, you see evolution is a Lie created by atheists and Satan so that people will become foolish and become enemies of God and therefore liable to be destroyed. And Satan's mission is accomplished

MaxInDHouse:


Excellent!

SadEast419:
➜That's a thought-provoking perspective. It's true that religious texts and interpretations are often subjective and influenced by human biases. The contradictions and variations in religious thought can be attributed to these human limitations.
However, some might argue that the [b]value of religion lies not in its literal or historical accuracy, but in its symbolic, spiritual, and cultural significance. Many people find meaning, comfort, and guidance in religious teachings, despite (or even because of) their imperfections.[/b]
➜What are your thoughts on the role of faith and spirituality in the face of these complexities?

1. And these seemingly intangible notions are of what reasonable value to us mankind—physical beings— how? Just trying to get you to shed more light on what you mean by your statement.

I think at this point it's become necessary to ask you to clearly define faith and spirituality in this context.

Kobojunkie:
1. And these seemingly intangible notions are of what reasonable value to us mankind—physical beings— how? Just trying to get you to shed more light on what you mean by your statement.

I think at this point it's become necessary to ask you to clearly define faith and spirituality.

We've told you to define religion and you've ran away. Are you not an hypocrite?

Truthseeker10:
➜We've told you to define religion and you've ran away. Are you not an hypocrite?

Are you OK in the head? Don't you have a dictionary to work with in this case or something?

Kobojunkie:
Are you OK in the head? Don't you have a dictionary to work with in this case or something?

😂😂😂don't you also have a dictionary. Why are you telling the other guy to define faith and spirituality? This guy na wa for you oo.😂

kingxsamz:


😂
It's definitely an Ai bot doing the writing for him.

AI regurgitators, the lot of em, and they seem to see nothing wrong with it, which is baffling to say the least.

Dtruthspeaker:


Yes, they reject any thing which destroys and upsets their standing in atheism whether reasonable or scientific.

Making contributions to human knowledge has nothing to do with being a Christian or an atheist exactly how being a Nigerian or a Russian has nothing to do with making a contribution to humanity.

Thus, on your understanding of what faith is, can faith and science co exist?

Yes they already do, for it is by faith and believe that you used to enter a plane (science) to fly from Lagos to Toronto the first time for you have never flown before and if you look out the window of the plane, you would not see the "road" to Toronto. But you just believed that the driver, whom by the way you do not even know, will go through that blue or grey sky of nothingness to take you to a place you have never been to before.

That is clearly an example of faith and science working together.

Had to come read this again
Very thoughtful