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TruthinAction:

So, Apostle Paul was wrong when he wrote:
Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace YE ARE SAVED
Notice the phrase, 'YE ARE SAVED. It's a past tense. It means, it already happened.
Witnesses from other scriptures are:
Timothy 1:9 WHO HATH SAVED US, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, View more
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy HE SAVED US, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Have those people endured to the end? Matthew 24:13

All these pastors have brainwashed lots of people walahi talahi just imagine man in Nigeria living in the twenty first century asking his neighbor if that one is saved when Jesus said only those who are able to endure to the end will be saved!

Well let me not keep you in the dark.

First of all BORN AGAIN totally differs from being saved the two are not same a BORN AGAIN Christian is someone who has been ANOINTED with God's Holy Spirit to Jesus' coruler team in heaven after enduring to the end while being saved means those who have submitted totally to the teachings of the group that's taken the lead in God's work. Such individuals are saved as in being under the close watch of the chosen ones who will continue to guide and feed them spiritually speaking.
Whoever has not found the group of Christ's anointed brothers can't fully recognize them and failure to recognize them means damnation. Matthew 25:41-46
So for anyone to recognize them and being with them in the journey to everlasting life is considered safety because if such an individual endure to the end following the instructions from Christ's anointed brothers salvation is sure! Matthew 25:34-40

MaxInDHouse:


Have those people endured to the end? Matthew 24:13

The people Jesus was referring to are the Jews who will experience the great tribulation after the anti Christ is revealed. He wasn't addressing the Gentile church because at that time, salvation wasn't extended to us yet.

MaxInDHouse:

Funny Churchian!
Nobody is saved until the end! Matthew 24:13

I have answered your question above concerning this verse.

TruthinAction:

The people Jesus was referring to are the Jews who will experience the great tribulation after the anti Christ is revealed. He wasn't addressing the Gentile church because at that time, salvation wasn't extended to us yet.

You Churchians use to undermine JWs a lot walahi talahi.
This is what Jesus said word for word:
“For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress. “Then people will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations on of my name.  Then, too, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another.  Many false prophets will arise and mislead many; and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold. But the one who has endured to the end will be saved" Matthew 24:7-13

Please are you saying all these happened in the first century?

TruthinAction:

I have answered your question above concerning this verse.

Ọmọ you have not answered anything.

Only those that endure to the end are saved!

MaxInDHouse:

Ọmọ you have not answered anything.

Only those that endure to the end are saved!

Then, remain in your ignorance

MaxInDHouse:

You Churchians use to undermine JWs a lot walahi talahi.
This is what Jesus said word for word:
“For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress. “Then people will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations on of my name.  Then, too, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another.  Many false prophets will arise and mislead many; and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold. But the one who has endured to the end will be saved" Matthew 24:7-13

Please are you saying all these happened in the first century?

Some of the events are happening before our very eyes but the key figure, the anti Christ is not yet revealed. It will happen after the rapture of the church.

MaxInDHouse:

My topic is not for your kind because i'm not responsible for your spirituality that is the more reason you should go to Papa because whatever i say will continue to sound like delusion to you!

Why are judging yourself nah?

TruthinAction:

Then, remain in your ignorance

See person talking!

TruthinAction:

Some of the events are happening before our very eyes.

So why lying nah?
Do you now agree that it's until the end before anyone could truly be saved?

MightySparrow:

Why are judging yourself nah?

Go and meet your Papa!

Whenever i post anything on my thread it's only for those who wants to identify the one and only true Christian organization not argumentators.

So if anyone feels he already knows how to get the road to life please you are not welcome on my thread!

MaxInDHouse:

Go and meet your Papa!

Wetin my papa take do you nah?!

answer simple question you come dey roll like barber chair.

TruthinAction:


The people Jesus was referring to are the Jews who will experience the great tribulation after the anti Christ is revealed. He wasn't addressing the Gentile church because at that time, salvation wasn't extended to us yet.

Leave maximumSide alone in his delusion.

Emusan:


Where did Jesus Christ command this?



The verses you cited didn't correlate with your point.



Well stated in that same verse from their SINS.



Correction!

Peter didn't say "ONLY" that is your own injection.

because The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are ONE with one SINGULAR NAME as mentioned by Jesus.

Question should've been, WHAT IS THAT SINGULAR NAME?



You have to inject Watchtower dogman here.

Again, nothing like "ONLY" but you have to insert that for your own agenda.

This is after you quoted the scripture written in plain English and still decided to cherry pick the parts that suit you.

Here is the scripture again.
“REPENT, and let each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the free gift of the holy spirit. For the promise is to you and your children, and to all those who are far away, to all those whom Jehovah our God may call to himself." Act 2:38-39

Why did you leave the @color part and inserted the word "ONLY" in other to justify JEWS being the people having that promise?

Yet you'll still be claiming today that The Holy Spirit is with Watchtower who are never a descendant of any original Jewish people.

Leave maximumSide alone for his delusional, community truth.

You're just a Pharisee deceiving himself.

MightySparrow:

Wetin my papa take do you nah?!
answer simple question you come dey roll like barber chair.

MightySparrow:

Leave maximumSide alone in his delusion.

So you believe it's delusion then why are you desperately begging for it as if i'm the one who should teach you nah?

You remind me of Pharisees always going to ask Jesus questions when they are only looking for ways to trap him in whatever he says. Matthew 22:15

MaxInDHouse:

So why lying nah?
Do you now agree that it's until the end before anyone could truly be saved?

No, I didn't. You did. Scripture can't contradict itself. It can't say that we are saved in several scriptures and at the same time say something different in just one or two verses.

Yes, though the prophecies are been fulfilled before our very eyes, the church will not be on earth when the greater part of the prophecies which has to do with the nation of Israel will be fulfilled.

TruthinAction:


No, I didn't. You did. Scripture can't contradict itself. It can't say that we are saved in several scriptures and at the same time say something different in just one or two verses. Yes, though the prophecies are been fulfilled before our very eyes, the church will not be on earth when the greater part of the prophecies which has to do with the nation of Israel will be fulfilled.

Who said:

"Whoever endure to the end will be saved" Matthew 24:13

Jesus talked you want to overrule it with what mere humans said, shey?

Well that's your own cup of coffee i stand with Jesus!

MaxInDHouse:


Who said:

"Whoever endure to the end will be saved" Matthew 24:13

Jesus talked you want to overrule it with what mere humans said, shey?

Well that's your own cup of coffee i stand with Jesus!

Try to read it in context. The prophetic discourse started by Jesus pointing to the temple in Jerusalem which he said will be destroyed - Matthew 24.

The disciples wanted to know when this will happen, the signs of his coming and of the end of the world. Then Jesus began to unfold the events one by one.

In verse 9, he said:

Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and YE SHALL BE HATED OF ALL NATIONS for my name's sake.

Notice the capitalized phrase - Israel will be hated by ALL NATIONS.

But we haven't yet seen that happen. Israel still has countries that them. But after the church has been raptured, all nations will be governed by leaders under the influence of demons.

The anti Christ will be revealed and ask everyone to worship the image of the beast that will be set up. Meanwhile, Israel will initially accept him as their long awaited Messiah. They will even sign a 7 year peace treaty according to Daniel's prophecy But after three and a half years he will break the peace treaty and set up the image of the beast in Jerusalem which is in Judah. This is what Jesus referred to when he said:

Matthew 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

He further said:

Matthew 24:16-22
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Notice he said that those in Judaea should flee to the mountains. Why did he mention Judaea? Because the city of Jerusalem where the abomination is placed is in Judaea.

You will now understand what Jesus meant when he said, he that endures to the end shall be saved.

He is referring to the Jews who will be persecuted during the great tribulation period. Most of them will be killed as stated in verse 9. But anyone who holds on to his faith even unto death shall be saved.

TruthinAction:

Try to read it in context. The prophetic discourse started by Jesus pointing to the temple in Jerusalem which he said will be destroyed - Matthew 24.
The disciples wanted to know when this will happen, the signs of his coming and of the end of the world. Then Jesus began to unfold the events one by one.
In verse 9, he said:
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and YE SHALL BE HATED OF ALL NATIONS for my name's sake.
Notice the capitalized phrase - Israel will be hated by ALL NATIONS.
But we haven't yet seen that happen. Israel still has countries that them. But after the church has been raptured, all nations will be governed by leaders under the influence of demons.
The anti Christ will be revealed and ask everyone to worship the image of the beast that will be set up. Meanwhile, Israel will initially accept him as their long awaited Messiah. They will even sign a 7 year peace treaty according to Daniel's prophecy But after three and a half years he will break the peace treaty and set up the image of the beast in Jerusalem which is in Judah. This is what Jesus referred to when he said:
Matthew 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
He further said:
Matthew 24:16-22
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Notice he said that those in Judaea should flee to the mountains. Why did he mention Judaea? Because the city of Jerusalem where the abomination is placed is in Judaea.
You will now understand what Jesus meant when he said, he that endures to the end shall be saved.
He is referring to the Jews who will be persecuted during the great tribulation period. Most of them will be killed as stated in verse 9. But anyone who holds on to his faith even unto death shall be saved.

This long epistle is unwarranted you guys just feel Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong so instead of humbly asking why we differ from others you seek ways to convince yourselves that our faith is incomplete.

Imagine on a thread that's about baptism you jumped in and start asking:

TruthinAction:

Are you born again?

After telling you that the meaning of that phase BORN AGAIN differ from one church to another you lied claiming it's the same and that born again Christians are saved.

Paul who mentioned that word SAVED doesn't mean what you think because he himself said:

"Therefore, the way I am running is not aimlessly; the way I am aiming my blows is so as not to be striking the air; but I pummel my body and lead it as a slave, so that after I have preached to others, I myself should not become disapproved somehow." 1Corinthans 9:26-27

Going by the highlighted in blue do you think Paul is SAVED if he doesn't endure to the end? Matthew 24:13

MaxInDHouse:


This long epistle is unwarranted you guys just feel Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong so instead of humbly asking why we differ from others you seek ways to convince yourselves that our faith is incomplete.

Imagine on a thread that's about baptism you jumped in and start asking:



After telling you that the meaning of that phase BORN AGAIN differ from one church to another you lied claiming it's the same and that born again Christians are saved.

Paul who mentioned that word SAVED doesn't mean what you think because he himself said:

"Therefore, the way I am running is not aimlessly; the way I am aiming my blows is so as not to be striking the air; but I pummel my body and lead it as a slave, so that after I have preached to others, I myself should not become disapproved somehow." 1Corinthans 9:26-27

Going by the highlighted in blue do you think Paul is SAVED if he doesn't endure to the end? Matthew 24:13

I never preached eternal security. But you can know at the moment if you are saved or not. Your responsibility then is to ensure you don't lose your salvation. Someone can be saved today and draw back tomorrow.

But if you were never saved in the first place, there's no amount of endurance that would get you saved.

You must be born again. If you are not born again, you are not saved because you cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

So, I ask one more time, are you born again? If yes, when and how?

TruthinAction:

I never preached eternal security. But you can know at the moment if you are saved or not. Your responsibility then is to ensure you don't lose your salvation. Someone can be saved today and draw back tomorrow. But if you were never saved in the first place, there's no amount of endurance that would get you saved. You must be born again. If you are not born again, you are not saved because you cannot enter into the kingdom of God. So, I ask one more time, are you born again? If yes, when and how?

Guy you know nothing about Christianity so if you want to learn i'm ready but if not please stay on the topic: BAPTISM!

MaxInDHouse:

Guy you know nothing about Christianity so if you want to learn i'm ready but if not please stay on the topic: BAPTISM!

The most important topic in the Bible is born again. Baptism means nothing unless you are born again.

TruthinAction:

The most important topic in the Bible is born again. Baptism means nothing unless you are born again.

Continue deceiving yourself.
It's the most important topic yet you can't expatiate using the scriptures only to start doing cut and when asked what it means.
Abeg pack go one side jọọ!

MaxInDHouse:

Continue deceiving yourself.
It's the most important topic yet you can't expatiate using the scriptures only to start doing cut and when asked what it means.
Abeg pack go one side jọọ!

I wanted you to give me your version first. But since you are ignorant, let me guide you.

Born again simply means the rebirth of the human spirit. So, it's a spiritual birth. When you get born again, you receive a new spirit or a new heart.

This is why our Lord Jesus said:

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Flesh gives birth to Flesh. But Spirit gives birth to spirit. This is why the Holy Spirit is involved.

The two agencies is the word of God and the Spirit of God. Jesus likened the word of God to water. Thus he said:

John 35: Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

As you hear the good news of the gospel and believe that Jesus died for you and that he was raised up on the third day, you are on the pathway to salvation. You are saved the very moment you confess with your mouth that Jesus is your Lord and Saviour.

According to Romans 10:9-10

Romans 10:9-10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Prophet Ezekiel saw this miracle of change of heart when he wrote:

Ezekiel 36:26-27
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Are you ready to be born again so I can give you a simple prayer to say?

, if you are not born again, you cannot enter into the kingdom of God. And after death, you will go straight to the pit of hell.

TruthinAction:


I wanted you to give me your version first. But since you are ignorant, let me guide you.

Born again simply means the rebirth of the human spirit. So, it's a spiritual birth. When you get born again, you receive a new spirit or a new heart.

Go and convince your fellow churchgoers on this first let all of you agree then come back to me.

The phrase "BORN AGAIN" first occurred when Jesus was talking to a Jewish ruler named "Nicodemus" this man was one of the Jewish religious political group known as "Pharisees" this party and another called "Sadducees" has been rival political groups for centuries until a Roman governor approved only these two as the groups that will continue to produce the Highpriest inside the temple in Jerusalem. Nicodemus and his group were politicians anticipating a time when the promised Christ will come to settle all the troubles affecting their nation.
To their surprise the only man who have come with great miraculous works is in their midst but doesn't want to associate with either the Pharisees or Sadducees so Nicodemus's presence there has two purposes:

[1] To find out why Jesus refused to acknowledge his group despite all their self righteousness.
[2] How can he truly become one of the corulers with the Christ since that's the aim of the Pharisees.

That's why Jesus didn't waste any time before telling him that he must put on a new personality completely before he can become a coruler with the Christ.

So BORN AGAIN means being baptized of water and spirit {John 3:3-5} just as Jesus became the first BORN AGAIN son of God after his baptism {Matthew 3:16-17} that was the day a prophecy about him was fulfilled that God acknowledged Jesus as His Son publicly, the same will happen to other Christians belonging to that set. Act 2:1-3

Of course being BORN AGAIN is not a criteria to become a beneficiary of God's Kingdom rather whoever wants to rule with Christ must be born again and it's not by man's choice or will only God selects those who will become corulers with Christ even Jesus has no say on that! Matthew 20:20-23

MaxInDHouse:


Go and convince your fellow churchgoers on this first let all of you agree then come back to me.

The phrase "BORN AGAIN" first occurred when Jesus was talking to a Jewish ruler named "Nicodemus" this man was one of the Jewish religious political group known as "Pharisees" this party and another called "Sadducees" has been rival political groups for centuries until a Roman governor approved only these two as the groups that will continue to produce the Highpriest inside the temple in Jerusalem. Nicodemus and his group were politicians anticipating a time when the promised Christ will come to settle all the troubles affecting their nation.
To their surprise the only man who have come with great miraculous works is in their midst but doesn't want to associate with either the Pharisees or Sadducees so Nicodemus's presence there has two purposes:

[1] To find out why Jesus refused to acknowledge his group despite all their self righteousness.
[2] How can he truly become one of the corulers with the Christ since that's the aim of the Pharisees.

That's why Jesus didn't waste any time before telling him that he must put on a new personality completely before he can become a coruler with the Christ.

So BORN AGAIN means being baptized of water and spirit {John 3:3-5} just as Jesus became the first BORN AGAIN son of God after his baptism {Matthew 3:16-17} that was the day a prophecy about him was fulfilled that God acknowledged Jesus as His Son publicly, the same will happen to other Christians belonging to that set. Act 2:1-3

Of course being BORN AGAIN is not a criteria to become a beneficiary of God's Kingdom rather whoever wants to rule with Christ must be born again and it's not by man's choice or will only God selects those who will become corulers with Christ even Jesus has no say on that! Matthew 20:20-23

You are reasoning carnally just the way Nicodemus did. The water our Lord Jesus was referring to is not physical water. It's God’s Word. Peter affirmed this when he wrote:

1 Peter 1:23
23 BEING BORN AGAIN, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, BY THE WORD OF GOD, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Digest this first into your stubborn heart.

TruthinAction:

You are reasoning carnally just the way Nicodemus did. The water our Lord Jesus was referring to is not physical water. It's God’s Word. Peter affirmed this when he wrote:
1 Peter 1:23
23 BEING BORN AGAIN, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, BY THE WORD OF GOD, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Digest this first into your stubborn heart.

That's not what Peter meant stop lying!

MaxInDHouse:

That's not what Peter meant stop lying!

JW deny truths if it doesn't agree with their theology. What a wicked organisation.

TruthinAction:

JW deny truths if it doesn't agree with their theology. What a wicked organisation.

Truth produces GOOD FRUIT while lies produces BAD FRUIT. Matthew 7:16-18
Can you proudly mention the name of your church?
NO!
Because you don't have a Bible believing church where are truly devoted to doing God's will according to the teachings of Christ Jesus.
Only Jehovah's Witnesses have gone to all nations, redeem sinners and turned them to zealous preacher and teachers who are industrious for God's word to form a global connection of peace loving worshipers just as God purposed! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

What has your false religion produced? James 2:18-26

MaxInDHouse:

Truth produces GOOD FRUIT while lies produces BAD FRUIT. Matthew 7:16-18
Can you proudly mention the name of your church?
NO!
Because you don't have a Bible believing church where are truly devoted to doing God's will according to the teachings of Christ Jesus.
Only Jehovah's Witnesses have gone to all nations, redeem sinners and turned them to zealous preacher and teachers who are industrious for God's word to form a global connection of peace loving worshipers just as God purposed! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

What has your false religion produced? James 2:18-26

Going around the world opposing every truth of God's word. You punishment is waiting for you all.