| KnowAll(m): 8:08am On May 25 |
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Just watch a video on Bamenda and most of the English speaking areas the level of development compared to their compatriots in Nigeria in states like Akwa Ibom, Rivers, Cross River those areas in Cameroon looks like villages. No decent roads yet this area of Cameroon produce the most oil in the country.
I think they made a mistake in that referendum of 1960.
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| neonly: 8:17am On May 25 |
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That side suppose to bi with Nigeria
I think Britain and just decided to share that place for peace sake
Just my own opinion am not an history student
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| KnowAll(m): 8:31am On May 25 |
neonly:
That side suppose to bi with Nigeria
I think Britain and just decided to share that place for peace sake
Just my own opinion am not an history student
No they had a referendum. In the 1950’s all those English speaking areas were part of the Eastern Region in Nigeria. They had representatives in the Eastern house of Assembly. But the fear of the dominance of the Igbo made them sign up with French Cameroon thinking they would have a leverage in Cameroon than in Nigeria. The French Cameroonians promise them federalism. But by 1971 they abolish Federalism for Unitarianism hence their problems today.
If they could have waited till 1966 when states where created out of the eastern region they would have their states and today they would have be benefiting from the 13% derivatives giving to oil producing states. Unfortunately all money made from oil as they are now a Unitary country goes to the central government who spends most of that funds in the French areas to the detriment of the English Speaking areas.
They have themselves to blame.
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| Dalohad: 9:04am On May 25 |
KnowAll:
No they had a referendum. In the 1950’s all those English speaking areas were part of the Eastern Region in Nigeria. They had representatives in the Eastern house of Assembly. But the fear of the dominance of the Igbo made them sign up with French Cameroon thinking they would have a leverage in Cameroon than in Nigeria. The French Cameroonians promise them federalism. But by 1971 they abolish Federalism for Unitarianism hence their problems today.
If they could have waited till 1966 when states where created out of the eastern region they would have their states and today they would have be benefiting from the 13% derivatives giving to oil producing states. Unfortunately all money made from oil as they are now a Unitary country goes to the central government who spends most of that funds in the French areas to the detriment of the English Speaking areas.
They have themselves to blame.
Today they are fighting another war to re the East and calling themselves Ambazonia.
Lack of foresight..
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| KnowAll(m): 9:11am On May 25 |
Dalohad:
Today they are fighting another war to re the East and calling themselves Ambazonia.
Lack of foresight..
By international law they should be allowed to have another referendum after 50 years but obviously the French Cameroonians would not want the region laying the golden egg to go like that. What I would suggest is either the French Cameroonians go back to the deal that made them a unified state or they hold a second referendum that would force the French Cameroonians to go back to federalism and giving them their derivatives. Otherwise they opt out.
Can you imagine Nigeria becoming a full Unitary State and no derivation for oil producing states thereby turning those ss states into a village while d money is used to develop the North. We would not have a country.
The English speaking areas should take up the matter to the international court of Arbitration.
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| Lifestone(m): 9:13am On May 25 |
KnowAll:
No they had a referendum. In the 1950’s all those English speaking areas were part of the Eastern Region in Nigeria. They had representatives in the Eastern house of Assembly. But the fear of the dominance of the Igbo made them sign up with French Cameroon thinking they would have a leverage in Cameroon than in Nigeria. The French Cameroonians promise them federalism. But by 1971 they abolish Federalism for Unitarianism hence their problems today.
If they could have waited till 1966 when states where created out of the eastern region they would have their states and today they would have be benefiting from the 13% derivatives giving to oil producing states. Unfortunately all money made from oil as they are now a Unitary country goes to the central government who spends most of that funds in the French areas to the detriment of the English Speaking areas.
They have themselves to blame.
There was only one Cameroon Country before the WW2, colonized by . When was defeated in the War, her "Properties" were divided, Britain took a part and French took the other side.
The English speaking side was governed along side Nigeria while the French side was independent from start.
In actual fact, they were stranded since that division
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| KnowAll(m): 9:15am On May 25 |
Lifestone:
There was only one Cameroon Country before the WW2, colonized by . When was defeated in the War, her "Properties" were divided, Britain took a part and French took the other side.
The English speaking side was governed along side Nigeria while the French side was independent from start.
In actual fact, they were stranded since that division
So what are u saying. Was there a referendum or not. U are not making sense.
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| DMerciful(m): 9:22am On May 25 |
What we have in Nigeria is not what was agreed in 1960 too. What we had in 1960 is 100% resource control while a percentage is paid to the fg.
KnowAll:
By international law they should be allowed to have another referendum after 50 years but obviously the French Cameroonians would not want the region laying the golden egg to go like that. What I would suggest is either the French Cameroonians go back to the deal that made them a unified state or they hold a second referendum that would force the French Cameroonians to go back to federalism and giving them their derivatives. Otherwise they opt out.
Can you imagine Nigeria becoming a full Unitary State and no derivation for oil producing states thereby turning those ss states into a village while d money is used to develop the North. We would not have a country.
The English speaking areas should take up the matter to the international court of Arbitration.
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| DMerciful(m): 9:24am On May 25 |
But they had option to Nigeria just like for Gongola State currently Adamawa ed Nigeria
Lifestone:
There was only one Cameroon Country before the WW2, colonized by . When was defeated in the War, her "Properties" were divided, Britain took a part and French took the other side.
The English speaking side was governed along side Nigeria while the French side was independent from start.
In actual fact, they were stranded since that division
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| mrvitalis(m): 9:26am On May 25 |
KnowAll:
No they had a referendum. In the 1950’s all those English speaking areas were part of the Eastern Region in Nigeria. They had representatives in the Eastern house of Assembly. But the fear of the dominance of the Igbo made them sign up with French Cameroon thinking they would have a leverage in Cameroon than in Nigeria. The French Cameroonians promise them federalism. But by 1971 they abolish Federalism for Unitarianism hence their problems today.
If they could have waited till 1966 when states where created out of the eastern region they would have their states and today they would have be benefiting from the 13% derivatives giving to oil producing states. Unfortunately all money made from oil as they are now a Unitary country goes to the central government who spends most of that funds in the French areas to the detriment of the English Speaking areas.
They have themselves to blame.
Same lies of Igbo domination... They ran to meet the real domination
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| KnowAll(m): 9:31am On May 25 |
DMerciful:
What we have in Nigeria is not what was agreed in 1960 too. What we had in 1960 is 100% resource control while a percentage is paid to the fg.
Says who, go and compare Port Harcourt Uyo and Calabar to those cities in the English speaking areas of Cameroon U go dey thank God.
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| KnowAll(m): 9:33am On May 25 |
mrvitalis:
Same lies of Igbo domination... They ran to meet the real domination
No doubts Igbo domination was overwhelming. If states where not created in 1967 Igbo’s would have overrun Akwa Ibom Cross River and Rivers State.
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| DMerciful(m): 9:34am On May 25 |
I'm not saying they're comparable, I'm saying just like Ambazonia were deceived, Nigeria minorities were also deceived because this is not what was agreed at independence
KnowAll:
Says who, go and compare Port Harcourt Uyo and Calabar to those cities in the English speaking areas of Cameroon U go dey thank God.
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| KnowAll(m): 9:38am On May 25 |
DMerciful:
I'm not saying they're comparable, I'm saying just like Ambazonia were deceived, Nigeria minorities were also deceived because this is not what was agreed at independence
If there was no coup in 1966 you would still be in the Eastern region overrun by the Igbo tribe. At least now u guys are governing yourselves.
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| DMerciful(m): 9:47am On May 25 |
There is no indication that shows the Eastern region as a whole wouldn't have been more developed
KnowAll:
If there was no coup in 1966 you would still be in the Eastern region overrun by the Igbo tribe. At least now u guys are governing yourselves.
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| KnowAll(m): 9:58am On May 25 |
DMerciful:
There is no indication that shows the Eastern region as a whole wouldn't have been more developed
As far as I know the clannishness of the Igbo would have isolated the minorities no doubt.
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| DomPerignon: 9:59am On May 25 |
KnowAll:
No they had a referendum. In the 1950’s all those English speaking areas were part of the Eastern Region in Nigeria. They had representatives in the Eastern house of Assembly. But the fear of the dominance of the Igbo made them sign up with French Cameroon thinking they would have a leverage in Cameroon than in Nigeria. The French Cameroonians promise them federalism. But by 1971 they abolish Federalism for Unitarianism hence their problems today.
If they could have waited till 1966 when states where created out of the eastern region they would have their states and today they would have be benefiting from the 13% derivatives giving to oil producing states. Unfortunately all money made from oil as they are now a Unitary country goes to the central government who spends most of that funds in the French areas to the detriment of the English Speaking areas.
They have themselves to blame.
They made their reasons abundantly clear from the beginning on why they wanted out of Nigeria and it was down to the overbearing arrogance and domineering ibo majority that had cornered everything to themselves both resources wise and job opportunities
Enugu was made the capital of Eastern Nigeria in 1959 but prior to that all resources were being channeled to develop Enugu at the expense of all so-called minority provinces.
A lowly clerk position in the local government in western Caneroun and other provinces like Calabar , PH were reserved for ibos. Land grabbing with the full of IBO officials and even Ibo magistrates will side with their fellow ibo to legalise ibo land grab was a norm. Even ibo settlers in western cameroun were notoriously hostile in the face of their hosts as was and still is the case where ever you find ibos in Nigeria with the exception of the north which taught them a bitter lesson how to be civil.
Note that it wasn't only western Cameroun that had grown tired of being yoked to you ibos in the British lumped Eastern Nigeria.
The so-called minorities wanted out before independence and were pushing to have their own special region but Zik was able to ensure the British kept them stuck to you out of pure parasitism.
Going back a bit, and you will recall that on the eve of balkanizig Southern Nigeria into Western and Eastern Nigeria, present day peoples of Benue and Taraba were once part of Southern Nigeria but once they learnt that they will be in the sane region with you ibos they demanded that they will rather northern Nigeria.
Moving forward to post independence Nigeria , the so-called minorities began a renewed aggitarion to leave the old Eastern Nigeria citing marginalization , oppression and suppression by the IBO majority .The minority people of eastern Nigeria were inspired by the peaceful seccesion of Midwest out of the old Western region that did not see any opposition from the majority Yoruba . In Enugu , the situation was the opposite with the IBO super majority doing every dirty trick to stop any motion by representatives of the minorities to call for a referendum. Frustrated at Enugu, the minorities took their plight to the Federal Parliament and had secured the of Northern ,Western and Midwestern Parliamentarians to grant a referendum for tthe minority people of Eastern Nigeria for the creation of the Calabar -Ogojaa-Ribers region. This was in late 1965 and the matter was to be presented oficially in Parliament after the Christmas break.
The IBO coup of Jan 15, 1966 was to prevent the Federal House from returning back from Christmas break to address the issue of COR region which was the first thing on the docket.
Your greed and foolishness is why everyone hated to be lumped with you and as soon as the British left , everyone wanted nothing to do with you.
Why did Ojukwu declare Biafra ?
It had nothing to do with ibos being slaughtered up north but because Gowon finally freed the minorities from your parasitic grasp through state creation.
Ojukwu went to war to preserve the British drawn colonial borders to continue the parasitic internal colonialism .
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| DMerciful(m): 10:03am On May 25 |
You're speaking from hatred rather than data. The Eastern region was the fastest growing region in Africa and one if the fastest in the world btw 1945 and 1966. Rising tide lifts all boats
KnowAll:
As far as I know the clannishness of the Igbo would have isolated the minorities no doubt.
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| mrvitalis(m): 10:09am On May 25 |
KnowAll:
No doubts Igbo domination was overwhelming. If states where not created in 1967 Igbo’s would have overrun Akwa Ibom Cross River and Rivers State.
Even when wilinks report clearly never found evidence of Igbo domination?
Go read wilinks report...
I can name projects of eastern Region in South South.
Can you name western region projects in Delta and Edo?
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| DomPerignon: 10:12am On May 25 |
DMerciful:
You're speaking from hatred rather than data. The Eastern region was the fastest growing region in Africa and one if the fastest in the world btw 1945 and 1966. Rising tide lifts all boats
Nonsense.
Enugu and ibo provinces and not Eastern region was the fastest growing .
Minority provinces were in severe neglect and the few jobs available were all given to IBO's
The Nigeria you complain today wit Abuja as its capital was drawn from the template of Eastern Nigeria and Enugu .
Everything you accuse the Fulani north of today , you pioneered and did worse in the British created Eastern Nigeria.
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| KnowAll(m): 10:13am On May 25 |
DomPerignon:
They made their reasons abundantly clear from the beginning on why they wanted out of Nigeria and it was down to the overbearing arrogance and domineering ibo majority that had cornered everything to themselves both resources wise and job opportunities
Enugu was made the capital of Eastern Nigeria in 1959 but prior to that all resources were being channeled to develop Enugu at the expense of all so-called minority provinces.
A lowly clerk position in the local government in western Caneroun and other provinces like Calabar , PH were reserved for ibos. Land grabbing with the full of IBO officials and even Ibo magistrates will side with their fellow ibo to legalise ibo land grab was a norm. Even ibo settlers in western cameroun were notoriously hostile in the face of their hosts as was and still is the case where ever you find ibos in Nigeria with the exception of the north which taught them a bitter lesson how to be civil.
Note that it wasn't only western Cameroun that had grown tired of being yoked to you ibos in the British lumped Eastern Nigeria.
The so-called minorities wanted out before independence and were pushing to have their own special region but Zik was able to ensure the British kept them stuck to you out of pure parasitism.
Going back a bit, and you will recall that on the eve of balkanizig Southern Nigeria into Western and Eastern Nigeria, present day peoples of Benue and Taraba were once part of Southern Nigeria but once they learnt that they will be in the sane region with you ibos they demanded that they will rather northern Nigeria.
Moving forward to post independence Nigeria , the so-called minorities began a renewed aggitarion to leave the old Eastern Nigeria citing marginalization , oppression and suppression by the IBO majority .The minority people of eastern Nigeria were inspired by the peaceful seccesion of Midwest out of the old Western region that did not see any opposition from the majority Yoruba . In Enugu , the situation was the opposite with the IBO super majority doing every dirty trick to stop any motion by representatives of the minorities to call for a referendum. Frustrated at Enugu, the minorities took their plight to the Federal Parliament and had secured the of Northern ,Western and Midwestern Parliamentarians to grant a referendum for tthe minority people of Eastern Nigeria for the creation of the Calabar -Ogojaa-Ribers region. This was in late 1965 and the matter was to be presented oficially in Parliament after the Christmas break.
The IBO coup of Jan 15, 1966 was to prevent the Federal House from returning back from Christmas break to address the issue of COR region which was the first thing on the docket.
Your greed and foolishness is why everyone hated to be lumped with you and as soon as the British left , everyone wanted nothing to do with you.
Why did Ojukwu declare Biafra ?
It had nothing to do with ibos being slaughtered up north but because Gowon finally freed the minorities from your parasitic grasp through state creation.
Ojukwu went to war to preserve the British drawn colonial borders to continue the parasitic internal colonialism .
Thank you my brother.
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| KnowAll(m): 10:16am On May 25 |
DMerciful:
But they had option to Nigeria just like for Gongola State currently Adamawa ed Nigeria
Even the ones that Nigeria Cities like Yola and Msiduguri are more developed than Maraua and Garoua in Cameroon.
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| DMerciful(m): 10:19am On May 25 |
Yet, it was the Western region that was divided due to neglet of minorities. That was how my midwest region was created
DomPerignon:
Nonsense.
Enugu and ibo provinces and not Eastern region was the fastest growing .
Minority provinces were in severe neglect and the few jobs available were all given to IBO's
The Nigeria you complain today wit Abuja as its capital was drawn from the template of Eastern Nigeria and Enugu .
Everything you accuse the Fulani north of today , you pioneered and did worse in the British created Eastern Nigeria.
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| gidgiddy: 10:20am On May 25 |
KnowAll:
Just watch a video on Bamenda and most of the English speaking areas the level of development compared to their compatriots in Nigeria in states like Akwa Ibom, Rivers, Cross River those areas in Cameroon looks like villages. No decent roads yet this area of Cameroon produce the most oil in the country.
I think they made a mistake in that referendum of 1960.
They are not different from what obtains in Nigeria. At least they were given a choice, nobody in Nigeria was ever given a choice if they want to be part of Nigeria
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| caleboxylic: 10:21am On May 25 |
DomPerignon:
They made their reasons abundantly clear from the beginning on why they wanted out of Nigeria and it was down to the overbearing arrogance and domineering ibo majority that had cornered everything to themselves both resources wise and job opportunities
Enugu was made the capital of Eastern Nigeria in 1959 but prior to that all resources were being channeled to develop Enugu at the expense of all so-called minority provinces.
A lowly clerk position in the local government in western Caneroun and other provinces like Calabar , PH were reserved for ibos. Land grabbing with the full of IBO officials and even Ibo magistrates will side with their fellow ibo to legalise ibo land grab was a norm. Even ibo settlers in western cameroun were notoriously hostile in the face of their hosts as was and still is the case where ever you find ibos in Nigeria with the exception of the north which taught them a bitter lesson how to be civil.
Note that it wasn't only western Cameroun that had grown tired of being yoked to you ibos in the British lumped Eastern Nigeria.
The so-called minorities wanted out before independence and were pushing to have their own special region but Zik was able to ensure the British kept them stuck to you out of pure parasitism.
Going back a bit, and you will recall that on the eve of balkanizig Southern Nigeria into Western and Eastern Nigeria, present day peoples of Benue and Taraba were once part of Southern Nigeria but once they learnt that they will be in the sane region with you ibos they demanded that they will rather northern Nigeria.
Moving forward to post independence Nigeria , the so-called minorities began a renewed aggitarion to leave the old Eastern Nigeria citing marginalization , oppression and suppression by the IBO majority .The minority people of eastern Nigeria were inspired by the peaceful seccesion of Midwest out of the old Western region that did not see any opposition from the majority Yoruba . In Enugu , the situation was the opposite with the IBO super majority doing every dirty trick to stop any motion by representatives of the minorities to call for a referendum. Frustrated at Enugu, the minorities took their plight to the Federal Parliament and had secured the of Northern ,Western and Midwestern Parliamentarians to grant a referendum for tthe minority people of Eastern Nigeria for the creation of the Calabar -Ogojaa-Ribers region. This was in late 1965 and the matter was to be presented oficially in Parliament after the Christmas break.
The IBO coup of Jan 15, 1966 was to prevent the Federal House from returning back from Christmas break to address the issue of COR region which was the first thing on the docket.
Your greed and foolishness is why everyone hated to be lumped with you and as soon as the British left , everyone wanted nothing to do with you.
Why did Ojukwu declare Biafra ?
It had nothing to do with ibos being slaughtered up north but because Gowon finally freed the minorities from your parasitic grasp through state creation.
Ojukwu went to war to preserve the British drawn colonial borders to continue the parasitic internal colonialism .
He called 1966 coup an Igbo coup. Lol
I will ignore you as you lack knowledge about the event as narrated by the actors.
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| KnowAll(m): 10:23am On May 25 |
DMerciful:
You're speaking from hatred rather than data. The Eastern region was the fastest growing region in Africa and one if the fastest in the world btw 1945 and 1966. Rising tide lifts all boats
It is only Igbo’s eulogize over the phenomenal growth of the Eastern Region, u will not hear an Ikwerre, Efik, Ibibio, ogoni and Ijaw gloat over such self aggrandisement.
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| caleboxylic: 10:23am On May 25 |
DMerciful:
Yet, it was the Western region that was divided due to neglet of minorities. That was how my midwest region was created
You should have asked him to mention the projects executed in Edo and delta states when they were under the western region.
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| KnowAll(m): 10:24am On May 25 |
caleboxylic:
You should have asked him to mention the projects executed in Edo and delta states when they were under the western region.
At least they got free education.
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| DMerciful(m): 10:28am On May 25 |
Data speak for itself. Port Harcourt was developed from Enugu coal
KnowAll:
It is only Igbo’s eulogize over the phenomenal growth of the Eastern Region, u will not hear an Ikwerre, Efik, Ibibio, ogoni and Ijaw gloat over such self aggrandisement.
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