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UncleAyo:
Historically, Alaafin is a son to the Ooni. Get your fact right. Also, all Yoruba migrate from Ife, where it is believe to be the place of creation.

Ooni is even more of a priest and king.

How can all Yoruba migrate from the same place...


That can't be anthropologically, humanistically and culturally right....

There were people in Ekiti Axis before any Ife

The Iwo Eleru cave near Akure testifies to that


Some Ekitis are Aborigines

Have you ask the Ekiti people about where they are from? If you ask them, they will tell you they are from Ife.

And that does not change their aboriginal status. We are talking about several years ago here.

illicit:


How can all Yoruba migrate from the same place...


That can't be anthropologically, humanistically and culturally right....

There were people in Ekiti Axis before any Ife

The Iwo Eleru cave near Akure testifies to that


Some Ekitis are Aborigines

UncleAyo:
Have you ask the Ekiti people about where they are from? If you ask the, they will tell you they are from Ife.

And that does not change their aboriginal status. We are talking about several years ago here.

I am from Ekiti

My genealogy is stated in my family panegyric (Oriki)

Pauladex:
You educate headless mob

Free education... I no charge 1 kobo

I hope other Ekiti people will agree with your assertions here.

Please, are Ekiti people Yoruba or they just borrow the language too?

illicit:


I am from Ekiti

My genealogy is stated in my family panegyric (Oriki)

UncleAyo:
I hope other Ekiti people will agree with your assertions here.

Please, are Ekiti people Yoruba or they just borrow the language too?

I never said Ekiti are not Yoruba


Is it only Ife people that are yoruba?

So anyone not from ife is not Yoruba?

Didn't oduduwa meet people in Ife?

So you really think that's everyone in Yoruba land descended from oduduwa?

kaltonga:

Hmm attached by force.. Okun and Kwara are not YORUBAS, they are Kwara and. Okun tribes, period!

Are you Okun?

illicit:
I am Aboriginal Ekiti, nothing concern me with any Ife...

Sorry, you are not original Èkìtì if you disclaim your root to ife. We from Èkìtì state came from ife. There's no town you will get to in Èkìtì from omuo to ikole, ijelu, osi, itapa, ilupeju oye, aiyegbaju, ifaki, ido, usi, igede, ilawe, aramoko, ijero, ado or ikere. We all traced our origin back to ife.

princepee:
Kwara is in the north.
Not south west.
Kwara state belongs to the caliphate.
Kwara is not yourba.
It was lost long ago

You are wrong, Kwara is geographically in the north that doesn't mean Kwara a are Hausa. We have Yorùbás in Kwara. Ọmọ Ìgbómìnà gidi.

mannobi:

Sorry, you are not original Èkìtì if you disclaim your root to ife. We from Èkìtì state came from ife. There's no town you will get to in Èkìtì from omuo to ikole, ijelu, osi, itapa, ilupeju oye, aiyegbaju, ifaki, ido, usi, igede, ilawe, aramoko, ijero, ado or ikere. We all traced our origin back to ife.

The nobles and royalties you mean...

ednut1:
The ilorin beg to differ

Over 90 percent of the indigenous Ilorin are of Yoruba descent. This is why Yoruba is the pure lingua franca spoken in Ilorin. Any contrary narratives are based off of pure delusions and historical revisionism by impostors. A small part of 10 percent are settlers from Nupe, Bariba, Hausa, Kanuri, and the descendants of the minority foreign Fulas from the 1800s and right after the 1900s from other West African countries.

The respected British colonial , Sir. Alan Burns, who served as the Governor General of the Gold Coast (now Ghana) and Acting-Governor General of Nigeria CLEARLY stated in his iconic book "The History of Nigeria" of which I have a 1947 edition in my vast home library collections and archives that Ilorin as of when he published the first edition of his book in the 1920s was one of the 10 largest towns in Nigeria and 9 out of 10 of those towns are Yoruba Towns while Kano a Hausa town (with some settler trading populations from as far as Libya and Syria) was the ONLY Hausa town in the top 10 towns by population.

So, the British Colonialists knew full well that Ilorin is a Yoruba town (now a capital city) hence they suggested towards their exit from Nigeria in 1960 that a referendum MUST be conducted to ensure that an Oba is installed in Ilorin. Even the Ekundayo of 1978 emphasized on the same thing. The minority foreign Fula descendants have been using subterfuge and military rule and their position in the political hegemony over the majority Hausa States to sidestep this plan for a referendum. Right now, I've seen online videos from Hausa men and women openly rejecting the Fulani political hegemony and resisting the foreign Fulani herders and bandits invasion of their ancestral homelands and farms from other West African countries to kill and drive them off then totally occupy their ancestral lands. This is a growing revolt from the Hausas and this is why some Fulanis are in panic mode to deflect attention right from Nasir El-Rufai, Atiku Abubakar, the Baba Ahmeds (whose foreign paternal Fulani origins come sequentially from Guinea Conakry, Cameroon, Mauritania) who are the some of the major culprits saying and lashing out blindly that the "North" will not vote Tinubu in 2027 while trying to cause chaos and pushing for a political coalition (with the largely unsuspecting Peter Obi and his co-travelers who seem naive) to remove Bola Tinubu as President so as to take over power again and continue their political and military domination of Nigetia (while allowing their foreign Fula herder and bandits kinsmen to move about freely and go away free from criminal prosecution). That subterfuge strategy is what they are known for from past history. People must be wise and not fall for the insidious game.

The British Colonialists who unfortunately propped up the Fula hegemony in the North of Nigeriavto oversee their own colonial agenda of tax collection and more, left Nigeria in 1960. It's totally unacceptable that a minority Fulani ethnicity (with original paternal roots from the Berbers of Morocco in North Africa based off of revealing DNA testing results and written texts of Fula scholars from centuries past) of NOT more than 24 million in the entire West African countries would come to Nigeria to invade ancestral farmlands and lord it over many indigenous ethnic groups like the Hausas, Yorubas, Ibos, Kanuris, Tiv, Birmingham, Taroks, etc with some if them like the Hausas and Yorubas having over 70 million in population each and Yorubas and Hausas still having ancestral lands and indigenous populations in Benin Republic, Togo, Ghana, Niger Republic, etc. It's shameful and NO minority ethnic group should ever lord it over others who are CLEARLY a majority. This is where the current Nigerian President and his political team of Federal and State legislators have to trigger a massive restructuring of Nigeria and hold referendums in several geographical locations to break the hegemony of the minority Fulas on others from 2025 onwards. The indigenous Hausas are agitating already and are not fooled by religion anymore. Restructuring of Nigeria fully to break any minority ethnic group's political and cultural hegemony over others who are indigenous and larger in population would fetch Tinubu a resounding re-election in 2027 from the large Hausa voters and other Nigerian ethnicities in different regions as well. Period.

mannobi:

Sorry, you are not original Èkìtì if you disclaim your root to ife. We from Èkìtì state came from ife. There's no town you will get to in Èkìtì from omuo to ikole, ijelu, osi, itapa, ilupeju oye, aiyegbaju, ifaki, ido, usi, igede, ilawe, aramoko, ijero, ado or ikere. We all traced our origin back to ife.

It's a FACT that Oduduwa (though a Yoruba and one of the modern Yoruba ancestors) was historically NOT originally from Ile Ife BUT from the hilly region of Oke-Ora just 8 miles away from the modern-day Ile Ife. This is why before any Oba or Ooni of Ufe (Ife) is crowned, he has to go to Oke-Ora as part of the coronation rites in that same Osun State. Nothing complicated here.

So, I assume this is what @Illicit was trying to say when he said he is a indeed a Yoruba from Ekiti BUT NOT from Ufe (Ife) based on his "Oriki." There are indeed many towns in Yorubaland and Ekiti State with migrations from Ufe, especially the royal families BUT there are aboriginal Yorubas in some communities as well that may not have a direct migration from Ife BUT from some other Yoruba settlements. Of course intermarriages have blurred the lines over the many centuries gone by. England is named after the Angles who are one of the 3 Germanic tribes that migrated in waves from Mainland Europe to England namely: the Angles, the Saxons, and the Jutes, BUT it's the name of the Angles that was given to the entire country called England today. It's quite similar to the entire Yoruba Country being named after the dominant Oyo (who had the militarily powerful Oyo Empire stretching from Nigeria to Togo) hence the name Yoruba (Oyo Oba or Oyo is King) as written and institutionalized in his 1843 book by the great multi-linguist and clergy man, Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther (who is a direct descendant of Alaafin Abiodun of the Oyo Empire who reigned in the late 1700s). Yoruba folks worldwide could have been known collectively as "Aku" or even "Lukumi" because some other writers in the 1800s were using those in books to describe ALL the closely related subgroups that make up Yorubaland today.


For even more clarity here, Nigeria's former Ambassador to and International historian, Prof. Jide Osuntokun and Prof. Banji Akintoye who incidentally are of Ekiti State descent clearly state in their books and other works that (and with strong emphasis on the works if Prof Jide Osuntokun) BEFORE the arrival of Oduduwa from Oke-Ora in Osun State to Ufe, people existed in Ife and the Olugbo of Ugbo Kingdom in the oil and gas-rich Ilaje area if Ondo State is from Ufe and a direct descendant of the aborigines before the Oduduwa Dynasty started. Oduduwa is NOT the ancestor of all Yorubas but he is just one of the Yoruba ancestors and the progenitor of the most of the great Kings or Obas in Yorubaland today stretching from Nigeria to Togo and beyond. The Emeritus Prof. Jide Osuntokun emphasized on the FACT that many autochtonous communities and people lived right in modern Yorubaland for many centuries before Oduduwa was born based off of oral and archeological evidence available and the Emeritus Prof. Jide Osuntokun did emphasize on this FACT that the Oduduwa Dynasty was NOT the beginning of Ufe or Yorubaland and Yoruba people but a representation of a NEW Ruling Dynasty over the older ruling dynasty. The Ooni of Ife granted an interview 3 years ago and emphasized on the fact that the Oduduwa Dynasty is the 3rd dynasty in Ufe (Ife) and clearly affirmed that 2 other ruling dynasties had existed in that article.

These of the younger generation MUST begin to read advanced history books and works of legit scholars such as the U.S.-based Prof. Toyin Falola, Prof. Jide Osuntokun and Prof. Banji Akintoye on the real Yoruba history going back to many centuries NOT the very basic stories published in the Social Studies books I personally read from many decades back about an Oduduwa descending from the sky (which should ONLY be taken metaphorically based on Ufe religious and cultural cosmology and NOT interpreted literally. Coming down or descending from the sky simply refers to "the descent of Oduduwa from the hills of Oke-Ora" (Oke in Yoruba language means "Hill" and "Ora" is the name of a Yoruba deity) on his way to Ufe (That's what the indigenes of Ife know). But Oduduwa was a real historical figure.

For those who may be curious, "Ufe" is the real dialectic pronunciation by the Ufe indigenes NOT Ife with a letter I. Ife is however used as an alternate spelling.


I hope this helps.


Cc: @UncleAyo

UncleAyo:
Yoruba

Who are the Okun people of Nigeria


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVk_2NgdZBQ?feature=shared



Traditional dance from Kwara state

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHY7XCueLkU?feature=shared

wazobeer:
Everyone knows this... Kwara has always been Yoruba, only Fulani settlers went there to mix with the local population. Even till date Kwara is 80% Yoruba.

Okun people are also Yoruba, across 6 local governments in Kogi. People like Pastor Sam Adeyemi, Dino Melaye, Sen. Smart Adeyemi are popular Yorubas from Kogi state.

Yoruba land cuts across 8 states in Nigeria, with 7 of them being core Yoruba states:

1. Lagos
2. Ogun
3. Oyo
4. Osun
5. Ondo
6. Ekiti
7. Kwara (Yoruba state but under North Central)
8. Kogi (minority, about 20% population)

What about our brothers n sisters from Edo State?

A part of kogi and kwara state are originally Yoruba descendants, the history is there and it can never be changed. Kwara name isn't Yoruba because it was the old Oyo empire renamed as Kwara , hidden agenda to steal Yoruba to the North. We have the history and original map of Yoruba country pre 1914 -1960 amalgamation before Nigeria happened . Those who divided African and shared it among themselves and those that amalgamated the Nations inside Nigeria have the original map and information kept , sealed somewhere for the future. Make una rest.

kaltonga:

Hmm attached by force.. Okun and Kwara are not YORUBAS, they are Kwara and. Okun tribes, period!

You mean they are yoruba slaves? Attachee by force

Kabiyesi my king!

I implore all my brothers and sisters of Nigeria. Reject hatred or superiority of any form. Honour our traditions from east west north and south

We are all children of a great people

Peace

Konquest:

Oduduwa (though a Yoruba and one of the modern Yoruba ancestors) was historically NOT originally from Ile Ife BUT from Oke-Ora just 8 miles away from the modern-day Ile Ife. This is why before any Oba or Ooni of Ufe (Ife) is crowned, he has to go to Oke-Ora as part of the coronation rites in that same Osun State. Nothing complicated here.

So, I assume this is what @Illicit was trying to say when he said he is a indeed a Yoruba from Ekiti BUT NOT from Ufe (Ife) based on his "Oriki." There are indeed many towns in Yorubaland and Ekiti State with migrations from Ufe, especially the royal families BUT there are aboriginal Yorubas in some communities as well that may not have a direct migration from Ife BUT from some other Yoruba settlements. Of course intermarriages have blurred the lines over the many centuries gone by. England is named after the Angles who are one of the 3 Germanic tribes that migrated in waves from Mainland Europe to England namely: the Angles, the Saxons, and the Jutes, BUT it's the name of the Angles that was given to the entire country called England today. It's quite similar to the entire Yoruba Country being named after the dominant Oyo (who had the militarily powerful Oyo Empire stretching from Nigeria to Togo) hence the name Yoruba (Oyo Oba or Oyo is King) as written and institutionalized in his 1843 book by the great multi-linguist and clergy man, Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther (who is a direct descendant of Alaafin Abiodun of the Oyo Empire who reigned in the late 1700s). Yoruba folks worldwide could have been known collectively as "Aku" or even "Lukumi" because some other writers in the 1800s were using those in books to describe ALL the closely related subgroups that make up Yorubaland today.


For even more clarity here, Nigeria's former Ambassador to and International historian, Prof. Jide Osuntokun and Prof. Banji Akintoye who incidentally are of Ekiti State descent clearly state in their books and other works that (and with strong emphasis on the works if Prof Jide Osuntokun) BEFORE the arrival of Oduduwa from Oke-Ora in Osun State to Ufe, people existed in Ife and the Olugbo of Ugbo Kingdom in the oil and gas-rich Ilaje area if Ondo State is from Ufe and a direct descendant of the aborigines before the Oduduwa Dynasty started. Oduduwa is NOT the ancestor of all Yorubas but he is just one of the Yoruba ancestors and the progenitor of the most of the great Kings or Obas in Yorubaland today stretching from Nigeria to Togo and beyond. The Emeritus Prof. Jide Osuntokun emphasized on the FACT that many autochtonous communities and people lived right in modern Yorubaland for many centuries before Oduduwa was born based off of oral and archeological evidence available and the Emeritus Prof. Jide Osuntokun did emphasize on this FACT that the Oduduwa Dynasty was NOT the beginning of Ufe or Yorubaland and Yoruba people but a representation of a NEW Ruling Dynasty over the older ruling dynasty. The Ooni of Ife granted an interview 3 years ago and emphasized on the fact that the Oduduwa Dynasty is the 3rd dynasty in Ufe (Ife) and clearly affirmed that 2 other ruling dynasties had existed in that article.

These of the younger generation MUST begin to read advanced history books and works of legit scholars such as the U.S.-based Prof. Toyin Falola, Prof. Jide Osuntokun and Prof. Banji Akintoye on the real Yoruba history going back to many centuries NOT the very basic stories published in the Social Studies books I personally read from many decades back about an Oduduwa descending from the sky (which should ONLY be taken metaphorically based on Ufe religious and cultural cosmology and NOT interpreted literally. Coming down or descending from the sky simply refers to "the descent of Oduduwa from the hills of Oke-Ora" (Oke in Yoruba language means "Hill" and "Ora" is the name of a Yoruba deity) on his way to Ufe (That's what the indigenes of Ife know). But Oduduwa was a real historical figure.

For those who may be curious, "Ufe" is the real dialectic pronunciation by the Ufe indigenes NOT Ife with a letter I. Ife is however used as an alternate spelling.


I hope this helps.

with all this, I will still tell you that no Èkìtì town claim ancestry to Ọ̀yọ́. We all come from ife. Even as far back as ogori-magongo in kogi state. They also traced their ancestry back to ife.

mannobi:
with all this, I will still tell you that no Èkìtì town claim ancestry to Ọ̀yọ́. We all come from ife. Even as far back as ogori-magongo in kogi state. They also traced their ancestry back to ife.

The Royalty in Akure, Ikere and Ado claims they came from Benin...

Some Benin Choose To Igbo Over Yoruba

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVtLnRJ-Eek?si=X6uIUueKUSuCWULz

The highly IRRESPONSIBLE video above that first appeared in my YouTube timeline 6 days ago is one of those fabricated disinformation and propaganda from paid ipob troll farms. Period must beware of this misinformation.

Yoruba folks have NEVER ever said all Benin folks are of Yoruba origin. Yorubas especially via USEN which is a Yoruba community now in Edo State had interacted with many centuries ago with Igodomigodo (now Benin) before the arrival of Oranmiyan. The Benin Royal family of course has direct paternal ancestral links with Ife (Ufe) going back to over 800 years ago through Oduduwa's grandson Oranmiyan who left his older biological brother Afelogiyan in the Yoruba settlement of USEN now located in Ovia South West LGA of Edo State (formerly called Ife Kekere) and became the first Oba of Benin starting the current Oranmiyan Dynasty he had a child named Owomika (Oba Eweka) through an aboriginal maiden from Egor. Oba Oranmiyan and some of his Yoruba or Ife descent followers later left Benin (Formerly Igodomigodo) and returned to Ife and other places. Oranmiyan set up the Oyo Kingdom which metamorphosed into the militarily dominant Oyo Empire. Period.

There are many loan words, foods, cultures, religious practices, dressings, that the individual subtribes (now collectively called Ibos from the late 1800s with the arrival of the British Colonialists and missionaries such as Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther a linguist) copied directly from their neighbors such as the Benins, Igalas (A Yoruboid group with 65% mutual intelligibility with the core Yoruba language, based off of the FACT that according to a 2017 Punch interview, the late Attah of Igala CLEARLY stated that Igala language (ancestry and people) are made up of migrants from the Wukari area of Taraba, Yorubas who they met and fused with at the Idah axis and Edos. Igala folks are made up of multiple ethnic ancestries. The remaining linguistic origin of Igala comes from Idoma), then the Ibibios who influenced the so-called Cross River Ibos of the Aro confederacy, Ohafia, Abam, in the area of loan words derived from Ibibio language such as Abasi in Ibibio, Ibibio religion and deity of "Ibritam" which the Aros call "Ibini Ukpabi," food types, dressings which are similar to the Ibibios, Annang dressings, etc, because as of the 1690s to 1720s the Ibibio subgroup was originally the full owners of the place called Arochukwu today until they had to withdraw from the place due to the taboo of having their Ibo slaves taking over the Ibritam deity which those Aro slaves of the Ibibio began to call Ibini Ukpabi. The Ijaws and Idomas ALSO CLEARLY influenced the Ibos at the border areas just like the Benins, Igalas, Efik, Ejagbam, Ibibios, Idomas, etc.

It's is very wrong for an Ibo poster to make a misleading claim in that disinformation and propaganda YouTube video above that the name "isee" is of Ibo origin which is FALSE. It's a loan word by the Ibos from the Benin, and is CLEARLY of Benin dialectic coinage and spelling loaned via the ORIGINAL Yoruba indigenous religion term "ASE" meaning "so shall it be." Yoruba religion and culture dies NOT use "amin" BUT the Yoruba term ASE for many centuries now as part of Yoruba liturgy. Period.

Egunsi (Egunsi) is another Yoruba word loaned into the Ibo language as CLEARLY documented in the "Longman Ibo-English Dictionary" co-written by a European and an erudite Ibo language scholar. Unknown to a lot of ignorant young Ibos on NL and elsewhere, they started arguing that the word Egunsi is from them BUT by the time screenshots of the Longman Ibo-English Dictionary was ed by well-educated Yoruba folks on that NL Food thread, and the dictionary CLEARLY stated that indeed the corrupted Ibo spelling of "Egwusi" is a LOAN WORD copied from the Yorubas or "Yor."
The folks in Enugu call Egunsi (Egusi) Elili which is the original Ibo name.

That was the end of the misinformation and insults from those uneducated Ibo youngsters on that Egunsi topic as they scampered right off the NL thread in disgrace in the face of CLEAR evidence from massive screenshots.

Konquest:
Some Benin Choose To Igbo Over Yoruba

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVtLnRJ-Eek?si=X6uIUueKUSuCWULz

The highly IRRESPONSIBLE video above that first appeared in my YouTube timeline 6 days ago is one of those fabricated disinformation and propaganda from paid ipob troll farms. Period must beware of this misinformation.

Yoruba folks have NEVER ever said all Benin folks are of Yoruba origin. Yorubas especially via USEN which is a Yoruba community now in Edo State had interacted with many centuries ago with Igodomigodo (now Benin) before the arrival of Oranmiyan. The Benin Royal family of course has direct paternal ancestral links with Ife (Ufe) going back to over 900 years ago through Oduduwa's grandson Oranmiyan who left his older biological brother Afelogiyan in the Yoruba settlement of USEN now located in Ovia South West LGA of Edo State (formerly called Ife Kekere) and became the first Oba of Benin starting the current Oranmiyan Dynasty he had a child named Owomika (Oba Eweka) through an aboriginal maiden from Egor. Oba Oranmiyan and some of his Yoruba or Ife descent followers later left Benin (Formerly Igodomigodo) and returned to Ife and other places. Oranmiyan set up the Oyo Kingdom which metamorphosed into the militarily dominant Oyo Empire. Period.

There are many loan words, foods, cultures, religious practices, dressings, that the individual subtribes (now collectively called Ibos from the late 1800s with the arrival of the British Colonialists and missionaries such as Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther a linguist) copied directly from their neighbors such as the Benins, Igalas (A Yoruboid group with 65% mutual intelligibility with the core Yoruba language, based off of the FACT that according to a 2017 Punch interview, the late Attah of Igala CLEARLY stated that Igala language (ancestry and people) are made up of migrants from the Wukari area of Taraba, Yorubas who they met and fused with at the Idah axis and Edos. Igala folks are made up of multiple ethnic ancestries. The remaining linguistic origin of Igala comes from Idoma), then the Ibibios who largely influenced the so-called Cross River Ibos of the Aro confederacy, Ohafia, Abam, in the area of loan words derived from Ibibio language such as Abasi in Ibibio, the Ekpe Society, Ibibio religion, food types, dressings which are similar to the Ibibios, Efik, dressings, etc, because as of the 1690s to 1720s the Ibibios were originally the full owners of Arochukwu. The Ijaws and Idomas ALSO CLEARLY influenced the Ibos at the border areas just like the Benins, Igalas, Ibibios, Idomas, etc.

It's is very wrong for an Ibo poster to make a misleading claim in that disinformation and propaganda YouTube video above that the name "isee" is of Ibo origin which is FALSE. It's a loan word by the Ibos from the Benin, and is CLEARLY of Benin dialectic coinage and spelling loaned via the ORIGINAL Yoruba indigenous religion term "ASE" meaning "so shall it be." Yoruba religion and culture dies NOT use "amin" BUT the Yoruba term ASE for many centuries now as part of Yoruba liturgy. Period.

Egunsi (Egunsi) is another Yoruba word loaned into the Ibo language as CLEARLY documented in the "Longman Ibo-English Dictionary" co-written by a European and an erudite Ibo language scholar. Unknown to a lot of ignorant young Ibos on NL and elsewhere, they started arguing that the word Egunsi is from them BUT by the time screenshots of the Longman Ibo-English Dictionary was ed by well-educated Yoruba folks on that NL Food thread, and the dictionary CLEARLY stated that indeed the corrupted Ibo spelling of "Egwusi" is a LOAN WORD copied from the Yorubas or "Yor."
The folks in Enugu call Egunsi (Egusi) Elili which is the original Ibo name.

That was the end of the misinformation and insults from those uneducated Ibo youngsters on that Egunsi topic as they scampered right off the NL thread in disgrace in the face of CLEAR evidence from massive screenshots.

Ibibio didnt influence Aro.. . Aro conquered iBibio ..took the slaves and their lands

mannobi:
with all this, I will still tell you that no Èkìtì town claim ancestry to Ọ̀yọ́. We all come from ife. Even as far back as ogori-magongo in kogi state. They also traced their ancestry back to ife.

There is an Ekiti community I read about called Aisegba-Ekiti whose king was interviewed a few years back and he said his folks migrated from the Egba people to what is now Aisegba-Ekiti. "Aisegba" he stated means "we are NOT Egbas" which I found amusing.

Second, the Oyo Kingdom, (which metamorphosed into the militarily dominant Oyo Empire) is a direct offshoot of Ife (Ufe) via Oranmiyan who founded the Oyo Kingdom. Oranmiyan was ALSO the FIRST EVER Oba of Benin over 800 years ago as affirmed on video during his 2016 coronation speech by the current Oba of Benin as the 40th Oba of Benin. He however claimed FALSELY (for obvious political reasons) that "Oduduwa" was a missing Prince from the Ogiso era who went to Ife BUT we know from erudite history scholars, archaeologists, and Ife indigenes and history that Oduduwa wasn't a missing Ogiso Prince BUT came just 8 miles away from the hilly region of Oke-Ora in the same Osun State where he met other indigenous ancestors of the current Yoruba folks living there as descendants of older dynasties. Oba Oranmiyan later left Benin after having a child named Owomika (Oba Eweka 1) through an indigenous maiden from a noble family from Egor. So Eweka had Yoruba (Ife) paternal ancestry and aboriginal maternal ancestry. It's a FACT of advanced history that Oba Oranmiyan left his rulership in Benin with some of his followers who came with him originally from Ife via the Yoruba-speaking community of USEN now in Ovia South West LGA of Edo State which currently has an Oba named Olu Awure of USEN and they have NEVER denied they are Yorubas. Afelogiyan who was Oranmiyan's older biological brother was the FIRST EVER ruler of USEN. It's not surprising that it was from USEN that Oranmiyan traveled to become the FIRST EVER Oba of Benin. The young Oba Eweka 1 then took over as the Oba of Benin after his father left for Ife because he did NOT stay long to rule. Of course the Yoruba language remained an inner court language in the Benin Royal Palace who maintained close with the Ife Palace and USEN which plays a traditional role in every coronation ceremony of every Oba of Benin. ALL the PURE Yoruba traditional titles such as "Asogbon" (corrupted to "Esogbon" in Benin Palace) found originally in Ife in Osun State were ALSO brought and replicated in USEN and Benin. USEN is ALSO the custodian of the Yoruba deities such as Ogun, Osun, and many more which notable USEN people have ALSO CLEARLY affirmed in videos that I have seen [alongside the Ogiamien family who are descendants of the former Ogiso rulers in several online publications and interviews] are from Yorubaland WITHOUT a shadow of doubt.

Third, interestingly, despite the Ife ancestral origin claim associated with Ogoris of Kogi State, there are a few of them here on an NL thread from Ogori-Magongo (who myself and others had conversations with a few years ago) who strongly insisted that their language is Idomoid (meaning that it contains many Idoma words in it and not close to Yoruba language) based off of the FACT that their ancestors lived for about 200 years in Idomaland. As to whether they have Yoruba ancestral links with Ife, I will say here and now... "Yes," but their language is infused with Idomoid words as well regardless of the Ife ancestral and migratory origins of theirs going back to centuries ago.

If I find that Ogori-Magongo NL thread convo from some years back, I will attach it here later. It clearly shows how migrations over the centuries can alter the original ethnic profiles and cultures of people.

ariesbull:


Ibibio didnt influence Aro.. . Aro conquered iBibio ..took the slaves and their lands

On the contrary, Adiele Afigbo himself states in one of his books that the Ibini Ukpabi is originally an Ibibio deity of one of the Ibibio groups in the last quotation of this post BELOW.

There were Ibo slaves who spent many years in captivity to the Ibibio group. They eventually were only able to capture their Ibibio masters' god or deity originally named "Ibritam" due to the assistance got from a Cross River Ejagbam (Ekoi group) who were half Igbos in that war which was fought for many years from 1690 to 1720 like I earlier CLEARLY stated. The Igbo Aro slaves only got victory, after capturing their Ibibio masters god or deity (Ibritam) whom they renamed "Ibini Ukpabi."

Even after their Ibibio masters fleed the region due to the taboo OR cultural abomination of a slave capturing the sacred deity, they (the slaves) NEVER ventured to capture more lands from other neighboring Ibibio sub groups because those groups were better defended and perhaps had more powerful deities than "Ibritam." So there's no way they would've captured more lands, because it took them years with help from an outside group to be free from the Ibibio group's enslavement.


As summarized by Afigbo right BELOW:
The "Ibini Ukpabi" itself was a typical product of the situation existing between the Igbo and the Ibibio. According to its social charter it was, in the beginning, a local god of an Ibibio group. Then it was captured by the Igbo slaves of this Ibibio group, who successfully rebelled against their servile status and sought to turn the table on their masters, who chose instead to flee the region. Under the control of these erstwhile Igbo slaves, the Ibini Ukpabi grew in influence to become, according to one authority, the most powerful oracle in West Africa by the nineteenth century.

SOURCE:"Nigerian History, Politics and Affairs" By Adiele Afigbo.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ez58Dwpa8JcC&pg=PA137/

UncleAyo:
I hope other Ekiti people will agree with your assertions here.

Please, are Ekiti people Yoruba or they just borrow the language too?

People existed right in what is Yorubaland centuries before Oduduwa was even born. Oduduwa is NOT the progenitor of ALL Yorubas but just one of the ancestors. He met other people and past dynasties in what is now Ile Ife (Ufe) when he arrived from his original home base in the hilly Oke-Ora just 8 miles from the same Osun State. I will quote you to read my earlier post on this same page about the advanced historical books and works of two Nigeria-born Professors who are incidentally both from Ekiti State who different from that ChatGPT screenshot you attached. The younger ones MUST begin to read these books by Emeritus Prof. Jide Osuntokun and Prof. Banji Akintoye to get BETTER advanced results than any ChatGPT from here on out.
People have to be very careful with these so-called AI tools such as ChatGPT and more because they ONLY regurgitate what has been fed into them based off of pre-existing algorithms and information that can be from NON-updated sources.

Even Google Search that has incorporated and experimental AI function warns that there are some errors in search results and truly there have been are errors based on the FACT that it aggregates information from the sometimes very unreliable Wikipedia (which even the Wikipedia founders WARNED people back in the 2000s to be careful about VANDALISMS from propagandists who plant disinformation Wikipedia. This is why the academic community does NOT allow citations from Wikipedia... You will be penalized for doing that) and other sources of NON updated information.

illicit:


The Royalty in Akure, Ikere and Ado claims they came from Benin...

Ikere has an indigenous monarch (Olukere) and the one that came from Benin called the Ogoga and there's been a tussle between the two sides. Nevertheless, those who came from Benin also have Yoruba ancestry though.

In the 1800s during the Benin attacks and invasions of Akure, I recall reading that this same Ikere (under the Ogoga) provided men and logistics for the Benin fighters and the Esan fighters who fought tly against the VERY brave Akure warriors until the last man. At the end, Akure was subdued and some aboriginal royal family were taken as prisoners to Benin, but eventually returned to Akure after some years.

Konquest:

On the contrary, Adiele Afigbo himself states in one of his books that the Ibini Ukpabi is originally an Ibibio deity of one of the Ibibio groups in the last quotation of this post BELOW.

There were Ibo slaves who spent many years in captivity to the Ibibio group. They eventually were only able to capture their Ibibio masters' god or deity originally named "Ibritam" due to the assistance got from a Cross River Ejagbam (Ekoi group) who were half Igbos in that war which was fought for many years from 1690 to 1720 like I earlier CLEARLY stated. The Igbo Aro slaves only got victory, after capturing their Ibibio masters god or deity (Ibritam) whom they renamed "Ibini Ukpabi."

Even after their Ibibio masters fleed the region due to the taboo OR cultural abomination of a slave capturing the sacred deity, they (the slaves) NEVER ventured to capture more lands from other neighboring Ibibio sub groups because those groups were better defended and perhaps had more powerful deities than "Ibritam." So there's no way they would've captured more lands, because it took them years with help from an outside group to be free from the Ibibio group's enslavement.


As summarized by Afigbo right BELOW:
The "Ibini Ukpabi" itself was a typical product of the situation existing between the Igbo and the Ibibio. According to its social charter it was, in the beginning, a local god of an Ibibio group. Then it was captured by the Igbo slaves of this Ibibio group, who successfully rebelled against their servile status and sought to turn the table on their masters, who chose instead to flee the region. Under the control of these erstwhile Igbo slaves, the Ibini Ukpabi grew in influence to become, according to one authority, the most powerful oracle in West Africa by the nineteenth century.

SOURCE:"Nigerian History, Politics and Affairs" By Adiele Afigbo.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ez58Dwpa8JcC&pg=PA137/

Half of Abịa State from Aba to Aro were gotten via conquest if Annang and Ibibio


While Nsukka gotten from igala and parts of Ebonyi they fight till date

I am an Aro man...I know my history ..we call our place okigbo (great Igbo) after the conquest
Hmmm



..Before Igbo arrival in the Aro territory, a group of proto Ibibio migrated to the area and established the Ibom Kingdom during the Bantu expansion. This proto Ibibio group originally came from Usak Edet (Isanguele), a segment of the Ejagham in present-day Southern Cameroon. The Eze Agwu clan from Abiriba, initiated Igbo migration into the region around the mid-17th century. The Ibibio clan welcomed all until some started rebelling against the ruling house. The Eze Awgu group who lead the rebellion against the ruling family aligned with several outside forces like the Priest Nnachi from the Edda group near Afikpo, was called by their king Awgu Inobia (Eze Agwu) for help. When he arrived, Nnachi and Eze Agwu allied with prince Akakpokpo Okon of the Ibibio kingdom of Ibom Kingdom. Akakpokpo Okon was the son of a marriage between an Igbo woman of the Eze Agwu clan and the King Obong Okon Ita in an attempt of a peace treaty for a war that have been fought between the Igbo subgroup and Ibibio. The Eze Agwu/Nnachi faction decided to help Akakpokpo attempt to overthrow his brother king Akpan Okon

.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aro-Ibibio_Wars
..

Konquest:

On the contrary, Adiele Afigbo himself states in one of his books that the Ibini Ukpabi is originally an Ibibio deity of one of the Ibibio groups in the last quotation of this post BELOW.

There were Ibo slaves who spent many years in captivity to the Ibibio group. They eventually were only able to capture their Ibibio masters' god or deity originally named "Ibritam" due to the assistance got from a Cross River Ejagbam (Ekoi group) who were half Igbos in that war which was fought for many years from 1690 to 1720 like I earlier CLEARLY stated. The Igbo Aro slaves only got victory, after capturing their Ibibio masters god or deity (Ibritam) whom they renamed "Ibini Ukpabi."

Even after their Ibibio masters fleed the region due to the taboo OR cultural abomination of a slave capturing the sacred deity, they (the slaves) NEVER ventured to capture more lands from other neighboring Ibibio sub groups because those groups were better defended and perhaps had more powerful deities than "Ibritam." So there's no way they would've captured more lands, because it took them years with help from an outside group to be free from the Ibibio group's enslavement.


As summarized by Afigbo right BELOW:
The "Ibini Ukpabi" itself was a typical product of the situation existing between the Igbo and the Ibibio. According to its social charter it was, in the beginning, a local god of an Ibibio group. Then it was captured by the Igbo slaves of this Ibibio group, who successfully rebelled against their servile status and sought to turn the table on their masters, who chose instead to flee the region. Under the control of these erstwhile Igbo slaves, the Ibini Ukpabi grew in influence to become, according to one authority, the most powerful oracle in West Africa by the nineteenth century.

SOURCE:"Nigerian History, Politics and Affairs" By Adiele Afigbo.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ez58Dwpa8JcC&pg=PA137/

Oke Nnachi from which the Kingdom of Arochukwu was founded. Tensions between the Igbo settlers and the Ibibio natives led to the Aro-Ibibio Wars. The Efik originated from the Ibom Kingdom and may have left it before or during the Aro-Ibibio Wars. The war was initially in a stalemate and Eze Agwu’s group eventually invited a priest named Nnachi from the Edda clan in northeast Igboland.

Eze Agwu and Nnachi allied with Prince Akakpokpo Okon of the Ibom Kingdom. Akakpokpo Okon was the son of a marriage between Igbo women of the Eze Agwu clan and King Obong Okon Ita with the aim of concluding a peace treaty.The Eze Agwu/Nnachi faction decided to Akakpokpo in his attempt to overthrow his brother, King Akpan Okon. Nnachi invited the Akpa people of Eastern Cross River.

Akpa troops led by Osim and Akuma Nnubi helped the rebel group conquer the rest of the area. This formed an alliance of 19 new and old states in the region known as the Arochukwu Kingdom between 1650 and 1700. The first king (or Eze Aro) of the Arochukwu Kingdom was Akuma, but after his death, Oke Nnachi, son of Nnachi, assumed power and his descendants still occupy the throne today.By the mid-18th century, the Arochukwu people had established many other communities within and outside Igboland. These migrations, the influence of their god Ibini Ukpabi through the priests and their military power ed by alliances with several neighboring militarized Igbo and Eastern Cross River states (notably Ohafia, Abam, Abiriba, Afikpo, Ekoi etc.) established quickly established the Confederacy of Aro as a regional economic power.

However, after the 20th century, Aro’s economic hegemony was threatened by the incursion of Europeans, mainly British settlers. Tensions eventually led to bloodshed and the Anglo-Arussian War lasted from 1901 to 1902.The Aro Confederacy put up stiff resistance but were ultimately defeated. This helped the British to occupy the rest of the area now known as Eastern Nigeria.

The Kingdom of Arochwuku was one of the most powerful in the Eastern Region, ruling the eastern territories for many centuries before being conquered by British forces.


https://aprokosay.com/details-of-the-17th-century-to-20th-century-ancient-aro-ibibio-wars/

ariesbull:


Half of Abịa State from Aba to Aro were gotten via conquest if Annang and Ibibio


While Nsukka gotten from igala and parts of Ebonyi they fight till date

I am an Aro man...I know my history ..we call our place okigbo (great Igbo) after the conquest
Hmmm



..Before Igbo arrival in the Aro territory, a group of proto Ibibio migrated to the area and established the Ibom Kingdom during the Bantu expansion. This proto Ibibio group originally came from Usak Edet (Isanguele), a segment of the Ejagham in present-day Southern Cameroon. The Eze Agwu clan from Abiriba, initiated Igbo migration into the region around the mid-17th century. The Ibibio clan welcomed all until some started rebelling against the ruling house. The Eze Awgu group who lead the rebellion against the ruling family aligned with several outside forces like the Priest Nnachi from the Edda group near Afikpo, was called by their king Awgu Inobia (Eze Agwu) for help. When he arrived, Nnachi and Eze Agwu allied with prince Akakpokpo Okon of the Ibibio kingdom of Ibom Kingdom. Akakpokpo Okon was the son of a marriage between an Igbo woman of the Eze Agwu clan and the King Obong Okon Ita in an attempt of a peace treaty for a war that have been fought between the Igbo subgroup and Ibibio. The Eze Agwu/Nnachi faction decided to help Akakpokpo attempt to overthrow his brother king Akpan Okon

.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aro-Ibibio_Wars
..

It's interesting that you are actually an Aro.