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Deltamani:


That Coaching aspect just Dey annoy me… Like what is Justin Madugu doing there??

If you can’t get a foreign expertise coach for the team give them a seasoned Ex-international who’s a Coach!

Imagine Justin saying he’s building the SuperFalcons team, same team that Randy Left in a Compact state…

Nff fit say money no dey 2 weeks to wafcon. Something they supposed begin plan for since last month. They'll delay till a few weeks. Mtchew

How’s Randy Waldrum & his wife doing ?

Deltamani:


If you don’t understand then take it as you see it,


On a Playing ground, you want to compare a Player that plays in Israel 🇮🇱 with those playing in top3 leagues in Europe??

I’m not trying to underrate where she’s based especially because of opportunity varies, so taking League ratings away from it…. All round football she’s below both Payne and Echegini💯


On a good day Chinaza Uchendu is a better player than Esther Onyenezide just that Nantes Feminine are managing her game because of her Left knee..

Oga what are the things they can do that she can't. No be fight na football we dey talk Is it ing? Shooting? First touch? Chance creation? Ability to control the game? Tackling? Strength? Stamina? Set piece taking ability? Etc.

If we are looking player for player, without club bias. I feel Esther can go toe to toe with Toni and even JOE (See what I did there? 😁)

A girl the size of Zidane will always have to do twice as much as others because of her size. If she was a couple inches taller she would be playing in the top leagues definitely. That's the same thing with Taiwo Afolabi who is even smaller.

BascoVanVeli:


Oga what are the things they can do that she can't. No be fight na football we dey talk Is it ing? Shooting? First touch? Chance creation? Ability to control the game? Tackling? Strength? Stamina? Set piece taking ability? Etc.

If we are looking player for player, without club bias. I feel Esther can go toe to toe with Toni and even JOE (See what I did there? 😁)

A girl the size of Zidane will always have to do twice as much as others because of her size. If she was a couple inches taller she would be playing in the top leagues definitely. That's the same thing with Taiwo Afolabi who is even smaller.

There's no stratosphere where Esther is any better than Toni and JOE. None whatsoever. There's a body of work to prove this so need arguing and the onus is on you to show statistically or otherwise how she goes "toe to toe" with them.

Bear in mind that she's yet to play with the same level of completion these other ladies play in and even with that she still can't compete.

And on size? There are many other players smaller than Esther that somehow size didn't disadvantage and are playing at the top of their careers. Vicky Lopez, Claudia Pina, Crystal Dunn are easy examples . She's literally taller than all but 2 midfield players in the Japanese women's team and they all play for teams in top leagues in Europe and America and somehow weren't required to do twice the work to get noticed.

Maybe she gets better in the near future, and I really wish that she does, but right now she's not cashing the cheque you're writing in her name. It's the same way folks here kept hyping Flourish Sebastian and Ajakaye unnecessarily without giving the girls time to grow and prove themselves, citing opportunities not being afforded them as excuse. Now they both went to Europe and they hardly get playing time.

lovewins:


There's no stratosphere where Esther is any better than Toni and JOE. None whatsoever. There's a body of work to prove this so need arguing and the onus is on you to show statistically or otherwise how she goes "toe to toe" with them.

Bear in mind that she's yet to play with the same level of completion these other ladies play in and even with that she still can't compete.

And on size? There are many other players smaller than Esther that somehow size didn't disadvantage and are playing at the top of their careers. Vicky Lopez, Claudia Pina, Crystal Dunn are easy examples . She's literally taller than all but 2 midfield players in the Japanese women's team and they all play for teams in top leagues in Europe and America and somehow weren't required to do twice the work to get noticed.

Maybe she gets better in the near future, and I really wish that she does, but right now she's not cashing the cheque you're writing in her name. It's the same way folks here kept hyping Flourish Sebastian and Ajakaye unnecessarily without giving the girls time to grow and prove themselves, citing opportunities not being afforded them as excuse. Now they both went to Europe and they hardly get playing time.

You have done well with your points…!

We can put them on same table just because they play the Attacking Midfield position and apart from that Esther Onyenezide isn’t on same level with Toni Payne, Onyi Echegini and Chinaza Uchendu yet….!

We need to be truthful with ourselves.. Size isn’t the matter here sef cause Onyenezide isn’t smaller than Glory Iroka? The Small Motor Big Engine of the FALCONETS and SuperFalcons back in the days..

lovewins:


There's no stratosphere where Esther is any better than Toni and JOE. None whatsoever. There's a body of work to prove this so need arguing and the onus is on you to show statistically or otherwise how she goes "toe to toe" with them.

Bear in mind that she's yet to play with the same level of completion these other ladies play in and even with that she still can't compete.

And on size? There are many other players smaller than Esther that somehow size didn't disadvantage and are playing at the top of their careers. Vicky Lopez, Claudia Pina, Crystal Dunn are easy examples . She's literally taller than all but 2 midfield players in the Japanese women's team and they all play for teams in top leagues in Europe and America and somehow weren't required to do twice the work to get noticed.

Maybe she gets better in the near future, and I really wish that she does, but right now she's not cashing the cheque you're writing in her name. It's the same way folks here kept hyping Flourish Sebastian and Ajakaye unnecessarily without giving the girls time to grow and prove themselves, citing opportunities not being afforded them as excuse. Now they both went to Europe and they hardly get playing time.

My question was very simple. Tell me the things they can do that she can't do? Abi u people need me to translate into another language or something? I even named the attributes u can pick from and u mentioned nothing from there. Of course I know they play on different levels so why even bring that up?

I didn't say size was stopping her, I said she has to work twice as hard to get where she want. Bringing up Vicky, Pina and Dunn does not prove anything because I never said it was impossible.

Flourish is like "what he say f**k me for?" 😂 somebody that has been balling with Galatasaray. Now Ajakaye went abroad and it didn't work out just like it didn't work for Okoronkwo in Spain or China. Yall won't say that part sha anyways Ope came back home and she is scoring for fun. 2 goals in an away match yesterday taking her to 7 on the season. As we can see from players going oversees and making instant impact, our league is very good.

BascoVanVeli:


My question was very simple. Tell me the things they can do that she can't do? Abi u people need me to translate into another language or something? I even named the attributes u can pick from and u mentioned nothing from there. Of course I know they play on different levels so why even bring that up?

I didn't say size was stopping her, I said she has to work twice as hard to get where she want. Bringing up Vicky, Pina and Dunn does not prove anything because I never said it was impossible.

Flourish is like "what he say f**k me for?" 😂 somebody that has been balling with Galatasaray. Now Ajakaye went abroad and it didn't work out just like it didn't work for Okoronkwo in Spain or China. Yall won't say that part sha anyways Ope came back home and she is scoring for fun. 2 goals in an away match yesterday taking her to 7 on the season. As we can see from players going oversees and making instant impact, our league is very good.

First, I didn't bring up size as an excuse, you did. You said he sizes means she'll need to work twice as hard and I simply gave several other examples of players who she bigger in size than and who "surprisingly" didn't need to work twice as hard like you suggested to be noticed. It's why I brought up Vicky and Pina cause they are smaller than she is.

Second, the onus is on you to prove she's better than JOE or Toni since you disagreed with the initial statement. And listing a bunch of criteria isn't a rebuttal as no one says she can't do any of those. That wasn't the initial argument. The argument is she isn't at the level of the other 2, which implies in most measurable statistical metric they'll do better than she'll do. It's not that difficult. In simple , they all can for instance create chances, but she can't do that better than Toni and Payne. That's the argument.

You asked why I brought up the fact that they play at different levels? It's because the level of competition is the lens through which we judge and scale performance. For instance, Cyril Dessers could score 30 goals a season in Rangers, but still wouldn't be considered 3rd option in the national team. It's because the level of competition is lower in the Scottish league so the weight of performances in leagues like that is lower. As a matter of fact the expectation is that players should do better in those leagues. So if a player like Ajakaye for instance who sadly couldn't cut it in Europe comes back home and scores a hat trick every game week, it still won't count much judging her with say 19 year old Chiamaka Okechukwu who got to the NWSL and was deemed good enough to make a debut where she scored.

lovewins:


First, I didn't bring up size as an excuse, you did. You said he sizes means she'll need to work twice as hard and I simply gave several other examples of players who she bigger in size than and who "surprisingly" didn't need to work twice as hard like you suggested to be noticed. It's why I brought up Vicky and Pina cause they are smaller than she is.

Second, the onus is on you to prove she's better than JOE or Toni since you disagreed with the initial statement. And listing a bunch of criteria isn't a rebuttal as no one says she can't do any of those. That wasn't the initial argument. The argument is she isn't at the level of the other 2, which implies in most measurable statistical metric they'll do better than she'll do. It's not that difficult. In simple , they all can for instance create chances, but she can't do that better than Toni and Payne. That's the argument.

You asked why I brought up the fact that they play at different levels? It's because the level of competition is the lens through which we judge and scale performance. For instance, Cyril Dessers could score 30 goals a season in Rangers, but still wouldn't be considered 3rd option in the national team. It's because the level of competition is lower in the Scottish league so the weight of performances in leagues like that is lower. As a matter of fact the expectation is that players should do better in those leagues. So if a player like Ajakaye for instance who sadly couldn't cut it in Europe comes back home and scores a hat trick every game week, it still won't count much judging her with say 19 year old Chiamaka Okechukwu who got to the NWSL and was deemed good enough to make a debut where she scored.

Vicky, Pina and Dunn were already from the countries where they got their start. This is a completely different situation. Being from Africa already gives Esther a disadvantage that those players don't have. What was Ashleigh Plumptre's speech about after the world cup? They only see us as strong and physical. Knowing that why would u expect a scout to come to africa and decide to select Esther over more physically imposing players

Look at this guy oh lol for debate that u jumped in the middle, u want to make rules 🤣 u said the onus is on me but I see u didn't explode when u said they create chance better than her.

I wanted my brother to tell me what he thinks they can do that she can't because I wanted to have a civil debate about women's football. I don't care who is right or wrong. I will address ur final point but like I told Deltamani I didn't come for fight.

Ur Dessers point sounds good until we see that Tolu Arokodare came off the bench before Victor Boniface in both matches. Tolu plays in Belgium, Boniface in . Even Sadiq in Spain. Going by your logic all those guys should bench Victor Osimhen because even Belgium is ranked higher than Turkey

Don't mistake a poor agent or bad situation for a player's ability. At least Opeyemi is back home playing the best football she has played in her young career. Chiamaka had nothing to do with the statement I made about Ajakaye so I'm not even going to put her in this. All I meant was Ope and Sabastine are still balling. Also Esther Okoronkwo failed in the same Spain u are calling out Ope for failing in.

Deltamani:


You have done well with your points…!

We can put them on same table just because they play the Attacking Midfield position and apart from that Esther Onyenezide isn’t on same level with Toni Payne, Onyi Echegini and Chinaza Uchendu yet….!

We need to be truthful with ourselves.. Size isn’t the matter here sef cause Onyenezide isn’t smaller than Glory Iroka? The Small Motor Big Engine of the FALCONETS and SuperFalcons back in the days..

Where did Glory play when she was in the team? Spain? ? USA? Please do tell

BascoVanVeli:


Vicky, Pina and Dunn were already from the countries where they got their start. This is a completely different situation. Being from Africa already gives Esther a disadvantage that those players don't have. What was Ashleigh Plumptre's speech about after the world cup? They only see us as strong and physical. Knowing that why would u expect a scout to come to africa and decide to select Esther over more physically imposing players

Look at this guy oh lol for debate that u jumped in the middle, u want to make rules 🤣 u said the onus is on me but I see u didn't explode when u said they create chance better than her.

I wanted my brother to tell me what he thinks they can do that she can't because I wanted to have a civil debate about women's football. I don't care who is right or wrong. I will address ur final point but like I told Deltamani I didn't come for fight.

Ur Dessers point sounds good until we see that Tolu Arokodare came off the bench before Victor Boniface in both matches. Tolu plays in Belgium, Boniface in . Even Sadiq in Spain. Going by your logic all those guys should bench Victor Osimhen because even Belgium is ranked higher than Turkey

Don't mistake a poor agent or bad situation for a player's ability. At least Opeyemi is back home playing the best football she has played in her young career. Chiamaka had nothing to do with the statement I made about Ajakaye so I'm not even going to put her in this. All I meant was Ope and Sabastine are still balling. Also Esther Okoronkwo failed in the same Spain u are calling out Ope for failing in.

Esther Okoronkwo didn’t have a failed career in Spain and China? At all At all… She belongs to a very power agency in Women Football that can get her to play in any League around the world.

Esther is a money driven player, and she hasn’t hidden it for once. She goes where the money is. Her move from — Spain— China and now Canada was purely because of money..!

I have to remind you also that Canada average annual salary is at $50,000.!


Players in the new Northern Super League will earn at least $50,000 and can't be traded without their consent.

The six-team Canadian women's professional league is set to kick off in April.

Teams will work under a $1.6-million player salary cap with 20- to 25-woman rosters. Each club is allowed one designated player, whose salary will not count against the cap.

The league's standard player agreement comes with guaranteed contract and players will also be free agents following the expiration of their contract.

The league also says its players will have access to "comprehensive mental health services and maternity/fertility benefits designed to meet and exceed the standards set by FIFA and ensure players' well-being."

With what is provided here, a money driven player will hardly turn down such offer..

BascoVanVeli:


Vicky, Pina and Dunn were already from the countries where they got their start. This is a completely different situation. Being from Africa already gives Esther a disadvantage that those players don't have. What was Ashleigh Plumptre's speech about after the world cup? They only see us as strong and physical. Knowing that why would u expect a scout to come to africa and decide to select Esther over more physically imposing players

Look at this guy oh lol for debate that u jumped in the middle, u want to make rules 🤣 u said the onus is on me but I see u didn't explode when u said they create chance better than her.

I wanted my brother to tell me what he thinks they can do that she can't because I wanted to have a civil debate about women's football. I don't care who is right or wrong. I will address ur final point but like I told Deltamani I didn't come for fight.

Ur Dessers point sounds good until we see that Tolu Arokodare came off the bench before Victor Boniface in both matches. Tolu plays in Belgium, Boniface in . Even Sadiq in Spain. Going by your logic all those guys should bench Victor Osimhen because even Belgium is ranked higher than Turkey

Don't mistake a poor agent or bad situation for a player's ability. At least Opeyemi is back home playing the best football she has played in her young career. Chiamaka had nothing to do with the statement I made about Ajakaye so I'm not even going to put her in this. All I meant was Ope and Sabastine are still balling. Also Esther Okoronkwo failed in the same Spain u are calling out Ope for failing in.

First, I only pointed out how the premise of your initial argument is faulty. Deltamani didn't say there were things JOE or Toni could do that Esther couldn't. He said they were better than she was. If I say Messi is better at dribbling than Okocha for instance, it will be weird to conclude that I meant Okocha couldn't dribble. So you see where your interpretation of what he said was wrong. It is why I said the onus was on you to prove his argument was wrong by outlining things Esther was better at compared to the other two.

Second, your Osimhen/Dessers point is funny, cause the crux of my point was level of competition and Osimhen has proven that over the years. Nobody is judging Osimhen by what he's doing in Turkey currently but by his rich antecedent. Dessers for example was banging goals in less competitive leagues but had a problem doing same when he transferred to Italy. It's why many people don't fancy him a lot. This again gives credence to the point I'm making. Boniface wasn't seriously considered until he replicated his form in Belgium in . The level of competition increased and he still delivered. Tolu has had to deliver consistently in Belgium for 2 years before he got his first eagles call up. Mind you he also increased his level of competition with his move to Belgium. Paul Onuachu was the king in Belgium but couldn't deliver when he moved to the EPL. He stopped getting invited as a result. These things are easy to see once you remove your bias.

Finally, you're moving the goalposts about Vicky and Pina being as reasons why their size wasn't a disadvantage right, but you conveniently ignored that I mentioned 80% of the Japanese midfielders are smaller in size than Esther and they all play in either the WSL or the NWSL. Will discrimination be the next excuse? I'm sure if I take time to look just a little bit ill find players from Africa at about the same size as Esther who didn't have this issue.

As per Esther Okoronkwo, I wouldn't characterise her time in Spain as her failing cause she played 10 games and scored 2 goals. Not sure what in China as I didn't follow her.

All this Zambian players are those with higher testosterone level, with a physique of men. Take them away from the team, it becomes nothing. There are more but this are the ones I’m familiar with. Even their U17 also have two right now…

Prisca Chilufya (Orlando Pride-USA)
Rhoda Chileshe (Indeni Roses)
Ireen Lungu (Sichuan-China)
Barbra Banda (Orlando Pride-USA)
Racheal Kundananji (Bay FC-USA)
Kabange Mupopo (Henan Jianye-China)
Racheal Nachula (Hapoel Jerusalem-Israel)
Fridah Mukoma (Beijing Jingstan FC-China)

lovewins:


First, I only pointed out how the premise of your initial argument is faulty. Deltamani didn't say there were things JOE or Toni could do that Esther couldn't. He said they were better than she was. If I say Messi is better at dribbling than Okocha for instance, it will be weird to conclude that I meant Okocha couldn't dribble. So you see where your interpretation of what he said was wrong. It is why I said the onus was on you to prove his argument was wrong by outlining things Esther was better at compared to the other two.

Second, your Osimhen/Dessers point is funny, cause the crux of my point was level of competition and Osimhen has proven that over the years. Nobody is judging Osimhen by what he's doing in Turkey currently but by his rich antecedent. Dessers for example was banging goals in less competitive leagues but had a problem doing same when he transferred to Italy. It's why many people don't fancy him a lot. This again gives credence to the point I'm making. Boniface wasn't seriously considered until he replicated his form in Belgium in . The level of competition increased and he still delivered. Tolu has had to deliver consistently in Belgium for 2 years before he got his first eagles call up. Mind you he also increased his level of competition with his move to Belgium. Paul Onuachu was the king in Belgium but couldn't deliver when he moved to the EPL. He stopped getting invited as a result. These things are easy to see once you remove your bias.

Finally, you're moving the goalposts about Vicky and Pina being as reasons why their size wasn't a disadvantage right, but you conveniently ignored that I mentioned 80% of the Japanese midfielders are smaller in size than Esther and they all play in either the WSL or the NWSL. Will discrimination be the next excuse? I'm sure if I take time to look just a little bit ill find players from Africa at about the same size as Esther who didn't have this issue.

As per Esther Okoronkwo, I wouldn't characterise her time in Spain as her failing cause she played 10 games and scored 2 goals. Not sure what in China as I didn't follow her.

China she performed far better than in Spain sef..! Na Money Dey carry her Dey waka.!

He doesn’t follow up with their games neither does he have information on how far they performed there..!

Esther Played well in China 🇨🇳


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZYH3g2uzR4?si=lo9aSdeF3J6FZ8s-

Deltamani:


China she performed far better than in Spain sef..! Na Money Dey carry her Dey waka.!

He doesn’t follow up with their games neither does he have information on how far they performed there..!

Esther Played well in China 🇨🇳


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZYH3g2uzR4?si=lo9aSdeF3J6FZ8s-

Didn't know cause I didn't follow her up there. Glad you are least are better informed on this than me and can set the record straight.

lovewins:


Didn't know cause I didn't follow her up there. Glad you are least are better informed on this than me and can set the record straight.

Esther performed well in China, scored goals.


Her agency is a big one in the Women’s game, they manage top stars like Hegerberg, Mary Earps, Echegini, Dunn, Toletti, Dumornay, Catarina Macario, Bunny Shaw etc

Left for a better offer from Canada, So you think a player of her caliber will leave China money and go to a newly formed AFC Toronto in Canada because of Chicken Change.. If she wanted to play for Football sake she wouldn’t have left Spain earlier on..!

Deltamani:


Esther Okoronkwo didn’t have a failed career in Spain and China? At all At all… She belongs to a very power agency in Women Football that can get her to play in any League around the world.

Esther is a money driven player, and she hasn’t hidden it for once. She goes where the money is. Her move from — Spain— China and now Canada was purely because of money..!

I have to remind you also that Canada average annual salary is at $50,000.!


Players in the new Northern Super League will earn at least $50,000 and can't be traded without their consent.

The six-team Canadian women's professional league is set to kick off in April.

Teams will work under a $1.6-million player salary cap with 20- to 25-woman rosters. Each club is allowed one designated player, whose salary will not count against the cap.

The league's standard player agreement comes with guaranteed contract and players will also be free agents following the expiration of their contract.

The league also says its players will have access to "comprehensive mental health services and maternity/fertility benefits designed to meet and exceed the standards set by FIFA and ensure players' well-being."

With what is provided here, a money driven player will hardly turn down such offer..

Is going from Spain to China a drop off or no? Was Esther Okoronkwo a key player before she left or no There is always a story when u like a player but u don't give the others that same benefit of a doubt.

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BascoVanVeli:


Is going from Spain to China a drop off or no? Was Esther Okoronkwo a key player before she left or no There is always a story when u like a player but u don't give the others that same benefit of a doubt.

…! So you think this players go to China and Saudi Arabia just because they want to play football or majorly because of the Renumeration?

…! She only played 10games for Tenerife, She started 3 and as a Sub in 7 while Scoring 2goals and 1 Assists..


Does this make her a Failed Player in Spain??

lovewins:


First, I only pointed out how the premise of your initial argument is faulty. Deltamani didn't say there were things JOE or Toni could do that Esther couldn't. He said they were better than she was. If I say Messi is better at dribbling than Okocha for instance, it will be weird to conclude that I meant Okocha couldn't dribble. So you see where your interpretation of what he said was wrong. It is why I said the onus was on you to prove his argument was wrong by outlining things Esther was better at compared to the other two.

Second, your Osimhen/Dessers point is funny, cause the crux of my point was level of competition and Osimhen has proven that over the years. Nobody is judging Osimhen by what he's doing in Turkey currently but by his rich antecedent. Dessers for example was banging goals in less competitive leagues but had a problem doing same when he transferred to Italy. It's why many people don't fancy him a lot. This again gives credence to the point I'm making. Boniface wasn't seriously considered until he replicated his form in Belgium in . The level of competition increased and he still delivered. Tolu has had to deliver consistently in Belgium for 2 years before he got his first eagles call up. Mind you he also increased his level of competition with his move to Belgium. Paul Onuachu was the king in Belgium but couldn't deliver when he moved to the EPL. He stopped getting invited as a result. These things are easy to see once you remove your bias.

Finally, you're moving the goalposts about Vicky and Pina being as reasons why their size wasn't a disadvantage right, but you conveniently ignored that I mentioned 80% of the Japanese midfielders are smaller in size than Esther and they all play in either the WSL or the NWSL. Will discrimination be the next excuse? I'm sure if I take time to look just a little bit ill find players from Africa at about the same size as Esther who didn't have this issue.

As per Esther Okoronkwo, I wouldn't characterise her time in Spain as her failing cause she played 10 games and scored 2 goals. Not sure what in China as I didn't follow her.

I asked a simple question. U want to complicate the situation but I'm not going. Imagine u working on Supersport and Moses Praiz asks u who is better Osimhen or Boniface. Would u just say Osimhen and not provide a reason why? When tells u to give him a reason u will say "the onus is on u" 😂

See this is the true meaning of goalpost shifting. Now u want to talk about Dessers past when ur point was about his current league.

This is what u said in case u forgot

For instance, Cyril Dessers could score 30 goals a season in Rangers, but still wouldn't be considered 3rd option in the national team. It's because the level of competition is lower in the Scottish league so the weight of performances in leagues like that is lower.

U didn't say anything about Italy, Belgium or any team in his past. Abeg put the goalpost back when u finish, we get match

Where the Japanese players born in Africa? Are u even looking at why I'm writing or u just arguing to argue?

Going by ur bolded statement Esther was a failure. She had 3 goal contributions in 10 matches =30%
He had 9 in 29=31%.

Deltamani:



…! So you think this players go to China and Saudi Arabia just because they want to play football or majorly because of the Renumeration?

…! She only played 10games for Tenerife, She started 3 and as a Sub in 7 while Scoring 2goals and 1 Assists..


Does this make her a Failed Player in Spain??

Never held down a starting shirt and downgraded in league. Sounds like a failed stint to me.

So are the players in Israel charity workers I can also say Onyenezide left Spain to chase the bag in Israel abi

BascoVanVeli:


I asked a simple question. U want to complicate the situation but I'm not going. Imagine u working on Supersport and Moses Praiz asks u who is better Osimhen or Boniface. Would u just say Osimhen and not provide a reason why? When tells u to give him a reason u will say "the onus is on u" 😂

See this is the true meaning of goalpost shifting. Now u want to talk about Dessers past when ur point was about his current league.

This is what u said in case u forgot

For instance, Cyril Dessers could score 30 goals a season in Rangers, but still wouldn't be considered 3rd option in the national team. It's because the level of competition is lower in the Scottish league so the weight of performances in leagues like that is lower.

U didn't say anything about Italy, Belgium or any team in his past. Abeg put the goalpost back when u finish, we get match

Where the Japanese players born in Africa? Are u even looking at why I'm writing or u just arguing to argue?

Going by ur bolded statement Esther was a failure. She had 3 goal contributions in 10 matches =30%
He had 9 in 29=31%.

Is there a point even responding to this cause it's clear to every objective mind I was giving context.

All things being equal a player playing in Scotland is less likely considered than one playing in England. That's the crux of my argument. You then brought up Victor Osimhen to counter and I had to give context that though Victor is playing in a less competitive league, his body of work speaks for him. That's not difficult to grasp.

Japanese players weren't born in Europe or America, so should have the same challenges you highlighted. You infered that the reason Vicky and Pina had it easy was cause they were homegrown talent and so was easy for them and I offered the Japanese alternative.

My points are clear Basco.

As per whether Esther Failed or succeeded in Spain, I'll leave you to your subjective interpretation as it had little bearing on the discourse.

naptu2:
Friendly o!

Friendly o!

3 weeks to African Nations Cup.

BascoVanVeli:


Never held down a starting shirt and downgraded in league. Sounds like a failed stint to me.

So are the players in Israel charity workers I can also say Onyenezide left Spain to chase the bag in Israel abi

If she really wanted to chase money she would have gone to China, Saudi, Canada, WSL, NWSL or even Russia… Even Turkey big clubs pays far better than Israel..

In Israel she can’t even get 3k euro monthly sef… What they pay there is 1k euros and at most 2k if the player is a top National team player..

Deltamani:


If she really wanted to chase money she would have gone to China, Saudi, Canada, WSL, NWSL or even Russia… Even Turkey big clubs pays far better than Israel..

In Israel she can’t even get 3k euro monthly sef… What they pay there is 1k euros and at most 2k if the player is a top National team player..

So because u can't make 1 million u go refuse 10k?
Haba nah money is money.

How much was she making in Spain I did the research, don't worry Their minimum wage just jumped to £21k. That is £1750 a month. U still have to pay 24% tax as a foreigner. In Israel foreigners in the minimum bracket pay 10%. So if Zidane makes £2k a month she will be making £21,600 a year (after taxes) as opposed to making £21k a year and walking away with £15,960.

So if you can say Okoronkwo followed the money also say Onyenezide did the same.

lovewins:


Is there a point even responding to this cause it's clear to every objective mind I was giving context.

All things being equal a player playing in Scotland is less likely considered than one playing in England. That's the crux of my adgut. You then brought up Victor Osimhen to counter and I had to give context that though Victor is playing in a less competitive league, his body of work speaks for him. That's not difficult to grasp.

Japanese players weren't born in Europe or America, so should have the same challenges you highlighted. You infered that the reason Vicky and Pina had it easy was cause they were homegrown talent and so was easy for them and I offered the Japanese alternative.

My points are clear Basco.

As per whether Esther Failed or succeeded in Spain, I'll leave you to your subjective interpretation as it had little bearing on the discourse.

All u do is look for things to hang on to. I brought up Tolu being the first striker brought off the bench even with Boniface and Sadiq in the team but u grabbed on to the part about Osimhen to fit ur narrative. Even by holding on to Osimhen u still proved my point which was that u were wrong to say Dessers isn't in the team because of the level of the Scottish league. That was just a false statement. Aribo and Bassey got into the team while playing for Rangers. All u had to do was it u were wrong and push on but u can't help shifting posts I guess.


Hahaha u offered alternates that were also born in the countries they got their start. Nobody goes to Japan looking for physically imposing players. What are we talking about here. This is just arguing for argument sake biko

BascoVanVeli:


All u do is look for things to hang on to. I brought up Tolu being the first striker brought off the bench even with Boniface and Sadiq in the team but u grabbed on to the part about Osimhen to fit ur narrative. Even by holding on to Osimhen u still proved my point which was that u were wrong to say Dessers isn't in the team because of the level of the Scottish league. That was just a false statement. Aribo and Bassey got into the team while playing for Rangers. All u had to do was it u were wrong and push on but u can't help shifting posts I guess.


Hahaha u offered alternates that were also born in the countries they got their start. Nobody goes to Japan looking for physically imposing players. What are we talking about here. This is just arguing for argument sake biko

I wasn't hanging on to anything or shifting goalpost, na you just wan argue and it's obvious nothing I say will make sense.

The beauty of a public forum like this is that people can see varying points of view and reach their own conclusions about which is more logical.

Peace bro.

Pls ehn, for the sake of some of us that are don’t have a big vocabulary, try to use normal words so we can’t understand better your arguments.

lovewins:


Is there a point even responding to this cause it's clear to every objective mind I was giving context.

All things being equal a player playing in Scotland is less likely considered than one playing in England. That's the crux of my adgut. You then brought up Victor Osimhen to counter and I had to give context that though Victor is playing in a less competitive league, his body of work speaks for him. That's not difficult to grasp.

Japanese players weren't born in Europe or America, so should have the same challenges you highlighted. You infered that the reason Vicky and Pina had it easy was cause they were homegrown talent and so was easy for them and I offered the Japanese alternative.

My points are clear Basco.

As per whether Esther Failed or succeeded in Spain, I'll leave you to your subjective interpretation as it had little bearing on the discourse.

Back to back International windows, no game for Falcons. Na wah ohhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

ekehopp2:
Back to back International windows, no game for Falcons. Na wah ohhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

Hm

Deltamani:

Currently The Top 5 Countries with the Best Coaches are…

1• Morocco (Jorge Vilda 🇪🇸)
2• Ivory Coast (Reynald Pedros 🇫🇷)
3• Algeria (Farid Benstiti 🇫🇷)
4• Ghana (Kim Björkegren 🇸🇪)
5. South Africa ( Desiree Ellis 🇿🇦)

If they don't want to employed a qualified female coach for Falcons, they should grab that TP Mazembe manager at least.

daveP:


If they don't want to employed a qualified female coach for Falcons, they should grab that TP Mazembe manager at least.

That would be an insult to the likes of Florence Omagbemi, Mercy Akide Udoh, Nkiru Okosieme, Ayisat Aromire Yusuf, Olarenwaju Wemimo, Ann Cheijene etc..

But again i think she was rumored to have signed with one of this Northern Africa National Team..

See the caliber of Coaches, those Country have right now, why can’t be have one?? Former Coach Corinne Diacre is also available in the market right now. She was rumored to be among those who applied for the Ivorian National Team job until the Ivorian FA signed Reynald Pedros

daveP:


If they don't want to employed a qualified female coach for Falcons, they should grab that TP Mazembe manager at least.

Corinne Diacre is a top level Coach but the problem she had with Senior Players back then might as well be another problem in the SuperFalcons if she was to be appointed for example…!

Imagine having issues with senior players like Asisat Oshoala, Osinachi Ohale, Halimatu Ayinde, Rasheedat Ajibade etc

Corinne Diacre was sacked as the head coach of the women’s national team because of what the French Football Federation described as “a very significant divide” with the players that has “reached the point of no return”.

Diacre’s tenure was fraught. The tipping point came when the captain, Wendie Renard, announced she would not play for the team to protect her mental health, saying she could “no longer the current system”, and Kadidiatou Diani and Marie-Antoinette Katoto followed suit.

Alleged problems between the manager and senior players was widely reported in the past. Diacre’s coaching methods, some of her public criticisms of players and selection decisions proved unpopular with certain individuals.

Renard, Lyon’s captain, was stripped of the captaincy by Diacre in 2017 after the quarter-final exit from the Euros but was given it back in 2021.

Diacre omitted Katoto from her squad for the 2019 World Cup, despite the forward finishing as the Ligue 1 top scorer, and left out Amandine Henry and Eugénie Le Sommer from the squad for the 2022 Euros in England after public fallings-out with the Lyon pair. In July 2020 the goalkeeper Sarah Bouhaddi announced she was stepping back from international football while Diacre was in charge.