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Dtruthspeaker:


Did you not see His programme was perfect until someone hacked into it and scattered it, Fool?

How dem dey hack something wey dey perfect?
If e dey perfect then e no fit dey hackable.

Truthseeker10:

Where does good and evil come from?

Good and evil are simply subjective conceptual frameworks shaped by our basic instinctual responses to the environment and influenced by social and cultural norms. The basic human instincts for survival, reproduction, self preservation, social connection, territoriality etc basically drives us to act the way we do and is context dependent which is why morality is subjective. You see the same thing in animals. Its not from some lord Yhwh battling some lord Satan, that's laughable and undemonstrable.

Lucifyre:


Good and evil are simply subjective conceptual frameworks shaped by our basic instinctual responses to the environment and influenced by social and cultural norms. The basic human instincts for survival, reproduction, self preservation, social connection, territoriality etc basically drives us to act the way we do and is context dependent which is why morality is subjective. You see the same thing in animals. Its not from some lord Yhwh battling some lord Satan, that's laughable and undemonstrable.

So what you are telling me is that it can also be 'good' for humans to murder other humans just like animals right?

Why do you think that the idea of a God or Satan is laughable when the basic idea of good and bad is based on instinct according to your explanation? Don't you also think that the idea of a God or Satan is still based on the same instinct that creates the idea of good and bad?

Fireoflife:
It's the other way around bro. Humanity does not love God one bit. He says if you love me keep my commandments. Je even sent his son to us

Who is this God that claimed to love humanity though? Is He the God of Nigeria or something?

Kobojunkie:
Who is this God that claimed to love humanity though? Is He the God of Nigeria or something?

lol. I'm the God of yoruba people. Go and ask their priests to tell you what's up

Truthseeker10:

So what you are telling me is that it can also be 'good' for humans to murder other humans just like animals right?

Why do you think that the idea of a God or Satan is laughable when the basic idea of good and bad is based on instinct according to your explanation? Don't you also think that the idea of a God or Satan is still based on the same instinct that creates the idea of good and bad?

Ok! So let's turn your question back to you since you stand on the fact morality's objective. Is it morally right for humans to murder and slaughter scores of men, women, children and babies in the name of Yhwh like animals even when Yhwh commands not to kill thereby contradicting himself several times.

Yes the the ideas of god and satan are still based on same instinct. The instinct of knowledge, to understand and make meaning of the world around us. We tried to explain the world and how it works ergo initially came up with these concepts alongside other superstitions which could not even be demonstrated and you had to take it on "trust me bro". Fortunately we found better ways to explain stuff by observing, analyzing and demonstrating what has been observed. And this new method basically shatters the old one at virtually every turn. So yes.

Lucifyre:


Ok! So let's turn your question back to you since you stand on the fact morality's objective. Is it morally right for humans to murder and slaughter scores of men, women, children and babies in the name of Yhwh like animals even when Yhwh commands not to kill thereby contradicting himself several times.

What do you think? Do you think it is also morally right for countries to fight wars and murder other humans?

Yes the the ideas of god and satan are still based on same instinct. The instinct of knowledge, to understand and make meaning of the world around us. We tried to explain the world and how it works ergo initially came up with these concepts alongside other superstitions which could not even be demonstrated and you had to take it on "trust me bro". Fortunately we found better ways to explain stuff by observing, analyzing and demonstrating what has been observed. And this new method basically shatters the old one at virtually every turn. So yes.

So have these these new ways of explaining things helped us to agree on what is good and bad? Have these new ways of explaining things also proved that there is no God or Satan?

gohf:
were they killed by God? Or humans?

Or because you do evil, God therefore is responsible for the evil you do?

Exactly.... God does absolutely nothing, but humans do.

It's funny when humans do bad thing u say humans did it... but when man do good thing u say God did it.

I tire for una

frank317:


Exactly.... God does absolutely nothing, but humans do.

It's funny when humans do bad thing u say humans did it... but when man do good thing u say God did it.

I tire for una

when men do good things men do them. I am the one saying this, either you believe me or believe them, but here this God will reward us all for what we have done. He rewarded Jesus for his faithfulness and righteousness, He rewarded Abraham. He will reward you for the good you do and reward you for the the evil you do.

Fireoflife:
lol. I'm the God of yoruba people. Go and ask their priests to tell you what's up

The God of the Yoruba loves non-Yorubas too. Why then does he go by the name God of the Yorubas? 😶😶😶

Truthseeker10:
What do you think? Do you think it is also morally right for countries to fight wars and murder other humans?


So have these these new ways of explaining things helped us to agree on what is good and bad? Have these new ways of explaining things also proved that there is no God or Satan?

I like how you side stepped the question cause it virtually check mate's you. Anyways can you prove that there's no 25 headed snake with the head of a lion that flies faster than a peregrine falcon?? 😏

Lucifyre:


I like how you side stepped the question cause it virtually check mate's you. Anyways can you prove that there's no 25 headed snake with the head of a lion that flies faster than a peregrine falcon?? 😏

Lol....I gave you your cake back. You claimed animals and humans are alike in instinct. I asked you if it was 'good' for humans to murder other humans just like the animals. You dodged the question and expected me to answer yours?

You claim there are new ways of explaining things. So why have these new ways not explained what is actually bad and what is good? Why have these new ways not provided evidence to show that there is no God or Satan?

Truthseeker10:

Lol....I gave you your cake back. You claimed animals and humans are alike in instinct. I asked you if it was 'good' for humans to murder other humans just like the animals. You dodged the question and expected me to answer yours?

You claim there are new ways of explaining things. So why have these new ways not explained what is actually bad and what is good? Why have these new ways not provided evidence to show that there is no God or Satan?

Lol! Ok! So let's turn your question back to you since you stand on the fact morality's objective. Is it morally right for humans to murder and slaughter scores of men, women, children and babies in the name of Yhwh like animals even when Yhwh commands not to kill thereby contradicting himself several times.

Can you prove that there's no 25 headed snake with the head of a lion that flies faster than a peregrine falcon?? 😁

Lucifyre:


Lol! Ok! So let's turn your question back to you since you stand on the fact morality's objective. Is it morally right for humans to murder and slaughter scores of men, women, children and babies in the name of Yhwh like animals even when Yhwh commands not to kill thereby contradicting himself several times.

Can you prove that there's no 25 headed snake with the head of a lion that flies faster than a peregrine falcon?? 😁

Oga you are funny oo....I simply asked you where good and bad came from and you gave me an answer. I asked a question that would make you confirm your answer. So why are you running away from your answer now?

Are you saying that good and bad does not exist? Is there a scientific way to prove that good and bad exist? If good and bad are products of instinct as you claimed, why Is God and satan and your 25 head snake not also a products of instinct that should not be laughable?

Kobojunkie:
The God of the Yoruba loves non-Yorubas too. Why then does he go by the name God of the Yorubas? 😶😶😶

just by asking this question. You've shown that you don't love yourself. How can you love others when you don't even love yourself?

Fireoflife:
just by asking this question. You've shown that you don't love yourself. How can you love others when you don't even love yourself?

This amount to gobbledegook abeg! 😑😑😑

Kobojunkie:
This amount to gobbledegook abeg! 😑😑😑

exactly.

Truthseeker10:

Oga you are funny oo....I simply asked you where good and bad came from and you gave me an answer. I asked a question that would make you confirm your answer. So why are you running away from your answer now?

Are you saying that good and bad does not exist? Is there a scientific way to prove that good and bad exist? If good and bad are products of instinct as you claimed, why Is God and satan and your 25 head snake not also a products of instinct that should not be laughable?

Lol! Ok! So let's turn your question back to you since you stand on the fact morality's objective. Is it morally right for humans to murder and slaughter scores of men, women, children and babies in the name of Yhwh like animals even when Yhwh commands not to kill thereby contradicting himself several times.

Can you prove that there's no 25 headed snake with the head of a lion that flies faster than a peregrine falcon?? 😁

Lucifyre:


Lol! Ok! So let's turn your question back to you since you stand on the fact morality's objective. Is it morally right for humans to murder and slaughter scores of men, women, children and babies in the name of Yhwh like animals even when Yhwh commands not to kill thereby contradicting himself several times.

following your logic, I can say it is morally right. Since animals can kill themselves for food, and we have the same instinct as them, it can be morally right. Are you insinuating that it is morally wrong to kill because yhwh contradicts himself according to you?

Can you prove that there's no 25 headed snake with the head of a lion that flies faster than a peregrine falcon?? 😁

You claim that good and bad are a result of instinct. Do you agree that God and satan are also results of instinct including the 25 headed snake of a lion that flies faster than a peregrine falcon? If you cannot prove that there is no good and bad, neither can I disprove the ones that you've listed above since they are also result of instinct. I am simply following your logic. Do you agree?

Truthseeker10:
following your logic, I can say it is morally right. Since animals can kill themselves for food, and we have the same instinct as them, it can be morally right. Are you insinuating that it is morally wrong to kill because yhwh contradicts himself according to you?


If you cannot prove that there is no good and bad, neither can I disprove the ones that you've listed above since they are also result of instinct. I am simply following your logic. Do you agree?

Lol! Good. So morality is indeed subjective?! Thank you very much.

For the second part common sense would have told you, you cannot disprove what hasn't even been proven to exist in the first place ergo my outlandish analogy to show you how dumb that is. You do not shift the burden of proof for outlandish claims without first demonstrating em. Common sense 101. Also pls outline where i said there is no good and bad?! So can you demonstrate your particular iteration of belief in god and satan exists and the particular texts which you base this belief on are factual??

"Do you agree that God and satan are also results of instinct including the 25 headed snake of a lion that flies faster than a peregrine falcon"
It seems you dont read or simply don't understand what you read anyways let me copy paste again.

"Yes the the ideas of god and satan are still based on same instinct. The instinct of knowledge, to understand and make meaning of the world around us. We tried to explain the world and how it works ergo initially came up with these concepts alongside other superstitions which could not even be demonstrated and you had to take it on "trust me bro".

Lucifyre:


Lol! Good. So morality is indeed subjective?! Thank you very much.

For the second part common sense would have told you, you cannot disprove what hasn't even been proven to exist in the first place ergo my outlandish analogy to show you how dumb that is. You do not shift the burden of proof for outlandish claims without first demonstrating em. Common sense 101. Also pls outline where i said there is no good and bad?! Lol

So tell us how to prove that there is good and bad.

"Do you agree that God and satan are also results of instinct including the 25 headed snake of a lion that flies faster than a peregrine falcon" It seems you dont read or simply don't understanf what you read anyways let me copy paste again.

"Yes the the ideas of god and satan are still based on same instinct. The instinct of knowledge, to understand and make meaning of the world around us. We tried to explain the world and how it works ergo initially came up with these concepts alongside other superstitions which could not even be demonstrated and you had to take it on "trust me bro".

But don't you also think that the idea of good and bad is also superstitious? Don't you think it is just an idea created by humans to regulate other humans just like the God and satan superstitious concepts? If good and bad exists, then what are they?

Truthseeker10:

So tell us how to prove that there is good and bad.


But don't you also think that the idea of good and bad is also superstitious? Don't you think it is just an idea created by humans to regulate other humans just like the God and satan superstitious concepts? If good and bad exists, then what are they?

For the second part common sense would have told you, you cannot disprove what hasn't even been proven to exist in the first place ergo my outlandish analogy to show you how dumb that is. You do not shift the burden of proof for outlandish claims without first demonstrating em. Common sense 101. Also pls outline where i said there is no good and bad?! So can you demonstrate your particular iteration of belief in god and satan exists and the particular texts which you base this belief on are factual??

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gohf:
when men do good things men do them. I am the one saying this, either you believe me or believe them, but here this God will reward us all for what we have done. He rewarded Jesus for his faithfulness and righteousness, He rewarded Abraham. He will reward you for the good you do and reward you for the the evil you do.

Ur position is clear... at least we now know that all these testimonies about God doing stuff are lies... he does nothing for me, just waits and reward us for our good work.

Lucifyre:


For the second part common sense would have told you, you cannot disprove what hasn't even been proven to exist in the first place ergo my outlandish analogy to show you how dumb that is. You do not shift the burden of proof for outlandish claims without first demonstrating em. Common sense 101. Also pls outline where i said there is no good and bad?!  So can you demonstrate your particular iteration of belief in god and satan exists and the particular texts which you base this belief on are factual??

Can you also demonstrate the particular iteration of beliefs in good and bad exists and the particular texts which you base this belief on are factual?

frank317:
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Ur position is clear... at least we now know that all these testimonies about God doing stuff are lies... he does nothing for me, just waits and reward us for our good work.

God does do things o.
Truly maybe God does nothing for you, I am not God and He didn't tell me, so I can take your word based on you speaking for yourself. That's between you and God, if it is true or a lie. But please don't treat me as a fool that I suggested to you that God does nothing.

If you don't want God to reward you, that your business and your choice, if He does, tell Him not to.

Truthseeker10:

Can you also demonstrate the particular iteration of beliefs in good and bad exists and the particular texts which you base this belief on are factual?

It's amusing how bad you are at defending your imaginary god, Michael. This is a new year, a new , and yet the same old stale persistent questions and m.o persists. Nevertheless, I'll indulge you to demonstrate the shallowness of your thought process and educate you.

Firstly, faith & belief is what delusional people rely on. It's the least form of acceptance applicable to the least common denominator of people. For us, we focus on facts, facts which are observable, demonstrable, and replicable. Facts dont care of you believe ot not. Take note.

Moving on, you've itted that morality is indeed subjective and contextual, as evident in the actions of Yhwh, the genocidal, infantile, sexual assulting and confused manaic. There are several studies that this conclusion from observing humans and even animals to show its instinctual and contextual:

A. Nietzsche's Moral Relativism ("Beyond Good and Evil," 1886)
B. Existentialist Morality (Sartre, 1943)
C. Social Contract Theory (Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, 17th-18th Century)

These theories, along with several other works and journals online, outline the details. However, I'm aware that delusional individuals rarely engage in reading.

Some of the demonstrations carried out to make these observations and test the analysis include:

1. The Norm Formation Experiment (Muzafer Sherif, 1935)
2. The Capuchin Monkey Fairness Experiment (Fragaszy & Visalberghi, 1996)
3. The Trolley Problem (Foot, 1967; Greene, 2001)
4. The Infant Morality Experiment (Hamlin et al.)

All of these experiments are replicable and demonstrable, having undergone rigorous observation, analysis, and peer review. See how complex the verification process is?! And its this complex process that has established them as factual, rather than mere beliefs or "Trust me bro". 😁

So I ask again:, can you demonstrate the existence of your particular god and satan, out of the thousands of gods and their adversaries (over 18,000)? Can you prove that your particular iteration, interpretation and translation of the texts given to you by your colonial masters, which you base your undemonstrable beliefs on, are factual and serve as the basis for this so called objective morality or frame work of good and bad😏?

Or are you only capable of repeatedly asking questions like a simpleton.

Lucifyre:


It's amusing how bad you are at defending your imaginary god, Michael. This is a new year, a new , and yet the same old stale persistent questions and m.o persists. Nevertheless, I'll indulge you to demonstrate the shallowness of your thought process and educate you.

Firstly, faith & belief is what delusional people rely on. It's the least form of acceptance applicable to the least common denominator of people. For us, we focus on facts, facts which are observable, demonstrable, and replicable. Facts dont care of you believe ot not. Take note.

Moving on, you've itted that morality is indeed subjective and contextual, as evident in the actions of Yhwh, the genocidal, infantile, sexual assulting and confused manaic. There are several studies that this conclusion from observing humans and even animals to show its instinctual and contextual:

A. Nietzsche's Moral Relativism ("Beyond Good and Evil," 1886)
B. Existentialist Morality (Sartre, 1943)
C. Social Contract Theory (Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, 17th-18th Century)

These theories, along with several other works and journals online, outline the details. However, I'm aware that delusional individuals rarely engage in reading.

Some of the demonstrations carried out to make these observations and test the analysis include:

1. The Norm Formation Experiment (Muzafer Sherif, 1935)
2. The Capuchin Monkey Fairness Experiment (Fragaszy & Visalberghi, 1996)
3. The Trolley Problem (Foot, 1967; Greene, 2001)
4. The Infant Morality Experiment (Hamlin et al.)

All of these experiments are replicable and demonstrable, having undergone rigorous observation, analysis, and peer review. See how complex the verification process is?! And its this complex process that has established them as factual, rather than mere beliefs or "Trust me bro". 😁

So I ask again:, can you demonstrate the existence of your particular god and satan, out of the thousands of gods and their adversaries (over 18,000)? Can you prove that your particular iteration, interpretation and translation of the texts given to you by your colonial masters, which you base your undemonstrable beliefs on, are factual and serve as the basis for this so called objective morality or frame work of good and bad😏?

Or are you only capable of repeatedly asking questions like a simpleton.

The problem you have is that you are not being objective. I never told you that I believed in morality. You talked about where morality came from and I simply used your logic. You argued that good and bad are simply ideas of instinct even in animals. So what exactly is your morality objective when it comes to yhwh? Even if yhwh has committed genocide, on what basis can you call it bad or good?

What exactly in those experiments proves that good and bad exist? What is good and what is bad?

Truthseeker10:

The problem you have is that you are not being objective. I never told you that I believed in morality. You talked about where morality came from and I simply used your logic. You argued that good and bad are simply ideas of instinct even in animals. So what exactly is your morality objective when it comes to yhwh? Even if yhwh has committed genocide, on what basis can you call it bad?

What exactly in those experiments proves that good and bad exist? What is good and what is bad?

So I ask again:, can you demonstrate the existence of your particular god and satan, out of the thousands of gods and their adversaries (over 18,000)? Can you prove that your particular iteration, interpretation and translation of the texts given to you by your colonial masters, which you base your undemonstrable beliefs on, are factual and serve as the basis for this so called objective morality or frame work of good and bad😏?

Or are you only capable of repeatedly asking questions like a simpleton.

Lucifyre:


So I ask again:, can you demonstrate the existence of your particular god and satan, out of the thousands of gods and their adversaries (over 18,000)? Can you prove that your particular iteration, interpretation and translation of the texts given to you by your colonial masters, which you base your undemonstrable beliefs on, are factual and serve as the basis for this so called objective morality or frame work of good and bad😏?

Or are you only capable of repeatedly asking questions like a simpleton.

You've refused to tell me experiments that define what good and bad is in man and animals?

What Is your morality objective with yhwh?

Truthseeker10:

You've refused to tell me experiments that define what good and bad is in man and animals?

What Is your morality objective with yhwh?

Like i said you suck at this. Id take the bolded as fact😄

So I ask again:, can you demonstrate the existence of your particular god and satan, out of the thousands of gods and their adversaries (over 18,000)? Can you prove that your particular iteration, interpretation and translation of the texts given to you by your colonial masters, which you base your undemonstrable beliefs on, are factual and serve as the basis for this so called objective morality or frame work of good and bad😏?

Or are you only capable of repeatedly asking questions like a simpleton.

Lucifyre:


Like i said you suck at this. Id take the bolded as fact😄

So I ask again:, can you demonstrate the existence of your particular god and satan, out of the thousands of gods and their adversaries (over 18,000)? Can you prove that your particular iteration, interpretation and translation of the texts given to you by your colonial masters, which you base your undemonstrable beliefs on, are factual and serve as the basis for this so called objective morality or frame work of good and bad😏?

Or are you only capable of repeatedly asking questions like a simpleton.

Taking the bolded as fact has nothing on me. You can't even prove to me that a daily activity of a human or animal can be regarded as good and bad. So why should I take you seriously?

Truthseeker10:

Taking the bolded as fact has nothing on me. You can't even prove to me that a daily activity of a human or animal can be regarded as good and bad. So why should I take you seriously?

Lol! So as expected, no you can't. Anyways thanks for trying to demonstrate your fictional god and subjective contradictory bible and failing woefully at it. Hopefully your fictional incest loving deity helps you out next time.😁