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"If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?"
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Digitmktguru:
"If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?"
i will be glad if you can give me biblical explanation to this?

Rhetorically it's an idiom not literal!

God hardening Pharaoh's heart doesn't mean God turned the man's mind against Himself rather it means God allowed Pharaoh to keep doubting His mightiness.
The best form of defense is to attack so if God the Almighty is pleading with a mere mortal like Pharaoh when He could just cripple him so that he can't walk surely he will realize that there is no security preventing this God from reaching him.
However God only wanted to send a warning signal to all the inheritants of Canaan so that they may leave the place for His chosen people after hearing how He journeyed with two feeble octogenarians to the world's most powerful nation and released millions of people who were serving as slaves without a single fight.
An adage says "you are to blame for mating with their wives instead of mating with their mothers to prove your superiority"
If God allowed Pharaoh to keep seeing himself as King and God standing in the way of liberty for God's people that is tantamount to giving the man some liver to resist the order from the Almighty God!

Digitmktguru:
✓ "If God is love,
✓ why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?"
i will be glad if you can give me biblical explanation to this?

What exactly is love? I don't mean the generic dictionary definitions we are used to spewing but what are the concrete actions that constitute the God kind or God-accepted Love?

I get that we like to regurgitate what Paul said without much thought but maybe by better understanding Paul's statement, we gain incite into what love really means and how metaphorically or in actual fact, God can be considered love.

God himself put the answer to this question in his conversation with Moses.

When you are trying to understand God.
Don't take sides of what's good and bad.

What's good to you may be bad for another person.

Simply God is looking for human elements to fulfil his will.

It now depends on which sides of that matter you fall into

God willed him to perish! That's his destiny!

AbuTwins:
God willed him to perish! That's his destiny!

Destiny/Fate is an idea that is wholly of the religious scope and not of Israelite Scripture.

God simply allowed pharaoh to do as he wished and fall to his own ruin. Note he was warned multiple times yet refused to take heed of the warnings.

And God was very merciful despite he had the power to immediately destroy Egypt he kept his patience which further proves he's the God of love.

It was his mercy that kept pharaoh alive, till the last test on God's patience. Even though he struck the first borns of Egypt, God still didn't kill pharaoh.

This is exactly what is happening here with almost everyone...only a few are out of it. When I drop God's divine knowledge, some people will do all to resist it....
That is the take home from the story.....

Does God exist?

If yes, prove it

Digitmktguru:
"If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?"
i will be glad if you can give me biblical explanation to this?

The story actually started when Moses was born. Taking a single text out of the narrative will distort the flow.
The story of Moses and the Israelites is about moving from slavery(ignorance of self/self enlightenment) to the promised land (self awareness/higher consciousness). Everything from the beginning to the end is happening within. God is the universal divine consciousness. The stories are not literal. They are allegories. The letter killeth, the spirit giveth life. The spiritual message in the story is what gives life.
Most times here, I drop divine knowledge and most people resist it. It is their higher self(God consciousness) hardening the heart of pharaoh lower self(the ego).

The Torah is the most beautiful literature I have beheld.

Prophit:
Does God exist?

If yes, prove it

Consciousness is what God is...does consciousness exists?

God is the universal consciousness... personified.

Not a Jewish man up in the sky.

sonmvayina:


Consciousness is what God is...does consciousness exists?

So consciousness created the universe?

Prophit:


So consciousness created the universe?

The universe is pure consciousness....we are the forms through which it experiences itself...

Digitmktguru:
"If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?"
i will be glad if you can give me biblical explanation to this?

In the Bible, you could find instances of Yahweh being many things, often times contradictory. In one instance, he would be a vengeful, jealous, anger-prone, and downright vindictive deity yet on the very next book, he'd be described as merciful without bounds.

In another, he would be hateful to those who don't worship him, recommend death for heresy and apostasy and command genocide for nations that worship other Gods yet on the very next book, he would be described as loving without conditions.

These features may be confusing as they in fact contradict each other, but it begins to make more sense when you understand the evolution of Yahweh as a character. The Yahweh of Peganic Yahwehism is different from that of Apocalyptic Yahwehism and that is also different from that of Talmudic Judaism and eventually different from Christian Yahweh.

The reason why Yahweh possess so many contradicting traits in the old testament is because they were describing completely different Gods.
Yahweh was a storm and war God initially, not unlike the god Ba'al - they were youthful deities. No other God had as much influence in the Yahwehic cult through antiquity like Ba'al - Yahweh ultimately assimilated feats of Ba'al like in Psalm 29 which is originally an old Canaanite poem for Ba'al that the Hebrews repurposed for Yahweh.

When Yahweh is described as this comionate fatherly figure in the old testament, such a person is likely describing a later conception of Yahweh that had incorporated the characteristics of El the chief God of the Canaanite pantheon.

Yahweh the strong wrathful storm God is an older idea to Yahweh the fatherly comionate wise God.

So, most often when these features contradict, the writer of these respective parts were imagining a Yahweh that was different from the other. The hot-headed storm deity that theologically competed with Ba'al or the fatherly comionate El elevated to the Chief amongst every other God.

In this very evolution of the Jewish religion from Pegan Yahwehism to Aocalyptic Yahwehsim to Talmudic Judaism, you could see how the bible went from itting the existence of other Gods, to itting that Yahweh would defeat and judge them to ultimately denying their existence entirely.

Yahweh as a deity has gone through tremendous evolution and as a matter of fact is still evolving

johnydon22:


In the Bible, you could find instances of Yahweh being many things, often times contradictory. In one instance, he would be a vengeful, jealous, anger-prone, and downright vindictive deity yet on the very next book, he'd be described as merciful without bounds.

In another, he would be hateful to those who don't worship him, recommend death for heresy and apostasy and command genocide for nations that worship other Gods yet on the very next book, he would be described as loving without conditions.

These features may be confusing as they in fact contradict each other, but it begins to make more sense when you understand the evolution of Yahweh as a character. The Yahweh of Peganic Yahwehism is different from that of Apocalyptic Yahwehism and that is also different from that of Talmudic Judaism and eventually different from Christian Yahweh.

The reason why Yahweh possess so many contradicting traits in the old testament is because they were describing completely different Gods.
Yahweh was a storm and war God initially, not unlike the god Ba'al - they were youthful deities. No other God had as much influence in the Yahwehic cult through antiquity like Ba'al - Yahweh ultimately assimilated feats of Ba'al like in Psalm 29 which is originally an old Canaanite poem for Ba'al that the Hebrews repurposed for Yahweh.

When Yahweh is described as this comionate fatherly figure in the old testament, such a person is likely describing a later conception of Yahweh that had incorporated the characteristics of El the chief God of the Canaanite pantheon.

Yahweh the strong wrathful storm God is an older idea to Yahweh the fatherly comionate wise God.

So, most often when these features contradict, the writer of these respective parts were imagining a Yahweh that was different from the other. The hot-headed storm deity that theologically competed with Ba'al or the fatherly comionate El elevated to the Chief amongst every other God.

In this very evolution of the Jewish religion from Pegan Yahwehism to Aocalyptic Yahwehsim to Talmudic Judaism, you could see how the bible went from itting the existence of other Gods, to itting that Yahweh would defeat and judge them to ultimately denying their existence entirely.

Yahweh as a deity has gone through tremendous evolution and as a matter of fact is still evolving

Damn! That's one apt, factual and well researched comment that stands up to scholarly scrutiny. Rare around here. Just to add a tidbit of info that i found recently that you didn't mention, the name and characteristics of the Shadday gods which were also conflated with Yhwh and El whence comes El shaddai. Found it reading an excerpt of Mark Smith's Early History Of God & History of Biblical Monotheism. The material on the Shadday gods is pretty small though. Anyways to buttress your point, there is no god of the bible, different depictions for different audiences at different time periods, especially as you said affected by the evolution or as some say revolution from polytheism to henotheism/monolatry to monotheism.

Digitmktguru:
"If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?"
i will be glad if you can give me biblical explanation to this?

That's the because the character is a maniac. End of story.

Ginaz:
God simply allowed pharaoh to do as he wished and fall to his own ruin. Note he was warned multiple times yet refused to take heed of the warnings.

And God was very merciful despite he had the power to immediately destroy Egypt he kept his patience which further proves he's the God of love.

It was his mercy that kept pharaoh alive, till the last test on God's patience. Even though he struck the first borns of Egypt, God still didn't kill pharaoh.

Yeah, such a loving god. ❤️ Didn't take out the person causing the problem but a bunch of kids that had nothing to do with it.

kingxsamz:


Yeah, such a loving god. ❤️ Didn't take out the person causing the problem but a bunch of kids that had nothing to do with it.

So you think you know something your maker?

MeekGram7:



So you think you know something your maker?

It'd have been better if you didn't respond.

kingxsamz:


Yeah, such a loving god. ❤️ Didn't take out the person causing the problem but a bunch of kids that had nothing to do with it.

You can't understand the knowledge of God. Same way it's cos of his mercy you're breathing right now. Given the fact God has so much power he never abuses it. And don't forget the Egyptians murdered the Israelites children by throwing them into the sea to drown. It was a payback time.

Pharaoh was warned severally to let the Israelites go, despite the severity of the punishments he totally disregarded God and he allowed pharaoh's heart to be harden so his glory would be seen.

kingxsamz:

Yeah, such a loving god. ❤️ Didn't take out the person causing the problem but a bunch of kids that had nothing to do with it.

All the kids that survived the event are where today?
Dead and gone to their graves but here we have the story to prove that there is a God who is the Almighty.
So Jehovah used that to prove His mightiness that's why the descendants of those who suffered this plagues today are now claiming worshipers of the same God of Moses!

MaxInDHouse:

All the kids that survived the event are where today?
Dead and gone to their graves but here we have the story to prove that there is a God who is the Almighty.
So Jehovah used that to prove His mightiness that's why the descendants of those who suffered this plagues today are now claiming worshipers of the same God of Moses!

I'm sorry to say, but you just wrote total bullsh*t

chimdi101:

I'm sorry to say, but you just wrote total bullsh*t

That's indisputable fact sir!
The slaughtered children are not of your tribe so if those related to the events are now claiming worshipers of the same God then the Almighty has been vindicated.

johnydon22:

In the Bible, you could find instances of Yahweh being many things, often times contradictory. In one instance, he would be a vengeful, jealous, anger-prone, and downright vindictive deity yet on the very next book, he'd be described as merciful without bounds.

In his haughtiness, the wicked man makes no investigation; All his thoughts are: “There is no God.” Psalms 10:4

Jehovah (Yahweh) is the most merciful personality in the universe. If You guys face the same situation You will hastily destroy even the good along with the wicked.
Why not put yourself in His shoes before judging Him?
When things got bad for Job he began to think and talk like a mad man {Job 6:1-3} but Jehovah loving reprove this faithful man by explaining the situation of things to him:
Before God created the earth heaven was His first established {Genesis 1:1} in heaven there are many spirit creatures who are powerful but not as powerful as their Creator one of them became a rebel and challenged God's sovereignty saying why must He get all the glory since all heavenly creatures are powerful? Why not share the glory with some of them as they are His children? Why can't man be allowed to worship God's spirit sons (angels)?
Of course an unreasonable bully would have destroyed this rebel instantly but would that solve the issue raised?
What about other sons of God (angels) present and hearing what Satan said?

So Jehovah wisely decided to let time tell if any angel could make humans happy and secure under their godship.

But will God introduce Satan to Adam and Eve telling them what transpired in heaven?

NO! Satan needs to go and present the case to them himself however he chooses to, that's the import of what happened in the garden of Eden. Satan maligned God telling Eve that God lied to them and if they could file for total independence they will become Gods themselves. Genesis 3:1-5

You know the rest of the story so when Job was bitterly complaining about his condition God told him that there is a case that needs to be settled in heaven once and for all before mankind could enjoy life just as He purposed in the beginning. Job 38:4,7

So in the Old Testament Jehovah fought to establish His name in the midst of rebellious angels claiming Gods throughout the earth that's the import of the ten plagues that happened in Egypt, each has to do with a specific God as Egyptians had many Gods they revere.
For instance the Nile River was revered as a God until Moses struck it and turned it to blood.
They had a God which they worship back then as the protector of firstling in every creature so Jehovah proved that God powerless by killing all the firstborn in Egypt.
That's just the first and last plague for you so each plague has to do with a specific God in mind.
Today the Egyptians whose ancestors worshiped those Gods have surrendered by accepting the fact that the God who sent Moses is truly the Almighty God.

You can go to Egypt and convince them to burn their Quran since it's boldly written that Moses the servant of the true God disputed with Pharaoh their own ancient king!

Kobojunkie:
Destiny/Fate is an idea that is wholly of the religious scope and not of Israelite Scripture.

So what does Proverbs 19:21 below mean?

Many plans are in a man’s heart, but the purpose of the LORD will prevail.

And there are more below!

Jeremiah 29:11
For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, to give you a future and a hope.

Isaiah 46:10
I declare the end from the beginning, and from ancient times what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and all My good pleasure I will accomplish.’

Ephesians 1:11
In Him we were also chosen as God’s own, having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything by the counsel of His will,

Job 42:2
“I know that You can do all things and that no plan of Yours can be thwarted.

Psalm 33:10-11
The LORD frustrates the plans of the nations; He thwarts the devices of the peoples. / The counsel of the LORD stands forever, the purposes of His heart to all generations.

Isaiah 14:24
The LORD of Hosts has sworn: “Surely, as I have planned, so will it be; as I have purposed, so will it stand.

James 4:13-15
Come now, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business, and make a profit.” / You do not even know what will happen tomorrow! What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes. / Instead, you ought to say, “If the Lord is willing, we will live and do this or that.”

Psalm 115:3
Our God is in heaven; He does as He pleases.

Acts 5:38-39
So in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone. Let them go! For if their purpose or endeavor is of human origin, it will fail. / But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop them. You may even find yourselves fighting against God.”

Lamentations 3:37
Who has spoken and it came to , unless the Lord has ordained it?

Most of these stories are ancient stories about the Same Annunakis that came to earth from long ago.
Marduk is the creator God and gave other gods their domain and station. Like I said it is still about the two brothers - Enlil and Enki.
Later on they both gave Marduk their Attributes..( they are all aspects of Marduk). Just like Olodumare and the Orishas...etc.
The stories are about the different gods.,The Torah is not left out.

Gods are not human beings. Let this information sink in. Stop looking at Scripture literally. They are oracles and always told in Allegories...

Let this stupidity stop.....please, it is nauseating...

Thank you.

MaxInDHouse:

All the kids that survived the event are where today?
Dead and gone to their graves but here we have the story to prove that there is a God who is the Almighty.
So Jehovah used that to prove His mightiness that's why the descendants of those who suffered this plagues today are now claiming worshipers of the same God of Moses!

Lol, yeye point. All the Israelites that were freed are where today? Dead and gone. Maybe he should have just let the Israelites suffer in slavery since they were going to dle someday anyway.

Ginaz:


You can't understand the knowledge of God. Same way it's cos of his mercy you're breathing right now. Given the fact God has so much power he never abuses it. And don't forget the Egyptians murdered the Israelites children by throwing them into the sea to drown. It was a payback time.

Pharaoh was warned severally to let the Israelites go, despite the severity of the punishments he totally disregarded God and he allowed pharaoh's heart to be harden so his glory would be seen.

What's now the difference between your god and a cultist?
Egyptians drowned kids so your god responded by kiIIing kids. Same kids you people claim are dear to him?
So what's now the moral lesson? Do me I do you?

And the funny thing is even you wouldn't imagine Jesus kiIIing chiIdren for the crimes of their tribe , because you feel he's better than that. And that goes to show you how much of a rubbish contradiction the whole of the bible is.

Digitmktguru:
"If God is love, why did He harden Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12?"
i will be glad if you can give me biblical explanation to this?

so because God is love, He cannot hate?

Bro, God hates, there are things He hates and those who unrepentant do wicked God hates such people they are His enemies. The problem is what if they ask for mercy?

God hardens the hearts of the wicked, those He has decided not to save, those He has decided are to be vessels unto destruction as a warning to others.

sonmvayina:
This is exactly what is happening here with almost everyone...only a few are out of it. When I drop God's divine knowledge, some people will do all to resist it....
That is the take home from the story.....

you are here? Didn't hear from you again after answering your questions

Prophit:
Does God exist?

If yes, prove it

and if God doesn't exist, what next?

sonmvayina:


Consciousness is what God is...does consciousness exists?

God is the universal consciousness... personified.

Not a Jewish man up in the sky.

so my consciousness is God 🙄😮‍💨